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jcwilk 2009-11-10 02:15

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by jcwilk (Post 370436)
Has anyone figured out how to get rid of that terrible grey cloudy background for unexplored squares?

Figured it out, there's a link at ~/.nethackdir/mapbg.xpm that points to the cloudy background, unfortunately the game recreates this if it's missing, so one way of solving it is to simply point it at a black image, or edit the image it points to be black, which is what I did. There might be a flag you can toggle for it, not really worth figuring out.

Addison 2009-11-10 02:41

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
Unless you're unable to go online, the best set up for Nethack is through nethack.org on Telnet and maybe even throw in Xchat as well.

You get a 80x25 display window and it looks completely old school which sounds like that is something you're looking for.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5018/flat2sr6.png

Cheers!

jcwilk 2009-11-10 02:52

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by Addison (Post 370546)
Unless you're unable to go online, the best set up for Nethack is through nethack.org on Telnet and maybe even throw in Xchat as well.

Thanks for the tip, but I've always been a fan of the tiles. Also, after replacing the 32x32 tilemap with the 16x16 one (can't stand the 32x32 tiles, so bulky and cumbersome) and zooming out to the correct resolution (it starts out zoomed in 2x so it looks like they're still 32x32 tiles at first) you get a pretty good portion of the level on your screen and it's very stylus friendly.

Telnet is not so stylus friendly which is a dealbreaker with the cramped and limited keyboard, plus until I get an n900 I only get internet at home. It's so much fun to lead your little monk around with your stylus. *tap tap tap tap*

TomJ 2009-11-11 18:04

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by jcwilk (Post 370556)
plus until I get an n900 I only get internet at home.

On which topic, and I know I've asked this elsewhere before, does anyone know if there's going to be a fully working nethack version for the n900? I ask to keep the request profile high...

jcwilk 2009-11-12 06:24

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by TomJ (Post 372639)
On which topic, and I know I've asked this elsewhere before, does anyone know if there's going to be a fully working nethack version for the n900? I ask to keep the request profile high...

I don't, but I'm sure someone will get something out the door in the next few months... plus due to it's 3g capabilities you might as well do as Addison suggested and just telnet to play it.

mannakiosk 2009-11-14 11:30

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
If all else wouldn't have, Nethack on my n800 totally made the device worth it.

It's like having an endless universe (with infinite replayability) of fantasy and adventure available all the time everywhere.

I read in another thread someone saying that some apps from OS2008 would be installable on Maemo 5 without modifications. If that's true, I hope it's the case with Nethack.

ArnimS 2009-12-08 15:56

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by mannakiosk (Post 375873)
If all else wouldn't have, Nethack on my n800 totally made the device worth it.

It's like having an endless universe (with infinite replayability) of fantasy and adventure available all the time everywhere.

I read in another thread someone saying that some apps from OS2008 would be installable on Maemo 5 without modifications. If that's true, I hope it's the case with Nethack.

The nethack game is a true port to hildon, in the sense that it attempts to make the game playable with just stylus. This is a comparatively audacious undertaking requiring a lot of UI work and coding.

For real roguelike players like Addison, a true console build is trivial to do, needing mainly some remapping of commands to fit user preferences on N810/N900 keyboard or Bluetooth KBD.

Addison 2009-12-16 00:32

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
The neat thing about nethack.alt.org is that it pretty much will accept any window's size terminal screen.

But really, you need a minimum of 51 columns to see the failure percentage of the spells your character has learned even though I guess that's not a complete neccesity.

So there's quite a bit of flexibility on how to have it displayed on the screen.

80x25 with a 16 size font is easily possible by removing the one pixel border in the virtual machine.

You could also choose between big font, small font, big virtual keyboard or small one, landscape or portrait. Whatever you think would be the best layout for you.

My current setup with my N800 uses a 51x25 terminal screen with a friendly touchscreen keyboard.

If anyone has some good ideas on a layout, feel free to share.

By the way, does Diablo sport any transparency hacks that could be used with Xkbd? I searched but didn't see one.

Here's a pick of my gaming session through NAO.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2...9121510213.png

jcwilk 2009-12-16 01:34

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
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Originally Posted by Addison (Post 429812)
The neat thing about nethack.alt.org is that it pretty much will accept any window's size terminal screen.

But really, you need a minimum of 51 columns to see the failure percentage of the spells your character has learned even though I guess that's not a complete neccesity.

So there's quite a bit of flexibility on how to have it displayed on the screen.

80x25 with a 16 size font is easily possible by removing the one pixel border in the virtual machine.

You could also choose between big font, small font, big virtual keyboard or small one, landscape or portrait. Whatever you think would be the best layout for you.

My current setup with my N800 uses a 51x25 terminal screen with a friendly touchscreen keyboard.

If anyone has some good ideas on a layout, feel free to share.

By the way, does Diablo sport any transparency hacks that could be used with Xkbd? I searched but didn't see one.

Here's a pick of my gaming session through NAO.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2...9121510213.png

Gave it a try on my n900 and I can't seem to find a package for the on screen xkbd, maybe it's not ported over yet? Tried playing it just with the hardware keyboard and the arrow keys didn't work so that kind of killed it x_X probably some issue with the telnet client? But without a numpad that i can merrily jam on with my whole right hand I think I'd still have to have stylus support for it to be enjoyable, just for movement I mean. The extra onscreen stuff in the gtk os2008 version was ok, but with a hardware keyboard anything that maps to a key without needing to hit # first really doesn't deserve real estate... And most of the stuff that requires # didn't have an onscreen button for it, it was very strange which ones were chosen to have an onscreen presence.

Vulture's Eye is ok but it still needs a fair amount of tweaking to fully utilize the hardware keyboard... plus it's pretty hard to see what's what with the 3d view, but it's a fun aesthetic change.

Addison 2009-12-16 02:08

Re: Nethack on OS2008
 
Yeah, I didn't care too much for the port itself.

All of the scrollbars was excessive for me, the screen was jittery, and yeah, I much would have preferred a virtual keyboard rather than all of the short cut keys which didn't feature all of them. I never did figure out how to hold two weapons in that port.

Xkbd can be found here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=44

It fixes a bug in the 2008 Diablo OS so I wouldn't even mess with it on a N900 unless you're feeling frisky. :)

I wish someone would make a descent release of Xkbd, it's hard for me to not understand why this isn't one of the most featured requests for the tablet. Fanoush would the best person for this, but I doubt he would be willing to do so.

The author of Xvkbd, which is a much better keyboard, emailed me on how to hack it so it would be more tablet friendly. But since I can't code or compile not sure who I could hit up to do this.

I just now was thinking about having an 80x25 screen and using the zoom in and out keys during a telnet session so that it's easier on the eyes. I'm not sure if that would work though. I'll try it out and also edit the scroll margin options in Nethack to see if it's even possible.

Another possibility is to have two telnet sessions going on at the same time. One to play the game with your character zoomed in, and another one to watch your character in a normal screen mode. So basically the second Xterm window would be like a map screen.

A setup like that would be really awesome. :D

JC, have you tried changing the Numlock option in your config file? You would then move your character around with the alternative keys.


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