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GeneralAntilles 2007-12-03 06:33
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshine (Post 103718)
Asking a pocket size device to handle any heavy 2.0 website and video "with ease" (and at big-box prices) is too much to ask.
Especially considering that a lot of desktops don't even handle those sites very smoothly.

dubiousmike 2007-12-03 06:34
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 103716)
I think the issue has a lot to do with unrealistic expectation for a mobile device. There's a fine balance between battery life, size, and performance. Better performance gets you crappier battery life and more size, better battery life gets you less performance and more size, and more size gets you better performance and better battery life.;)
I hear you and it's not that I expect incredible battery life. Its more that if they are going to call it an internet tablet, then doesn't it need to handle today's heavy pages gracefully? And I know that an issue will be that as time goes on, web pages will continue to bloat. Will tomorrow's device be able to play tomorrow's pages if today's can't play current pages?

How often does Nokia do software updates? If it IS a software issue, does it seem likely that this could get fixed soon?

One thing I noticed in the video someone shot of the 1-2-3-4 commercial by Apple on YouTube is that it became more slugish or choppy as the video went on...

When is the N900 due out?

dubiousmike 2007-12-03 06:40
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 103722)
Especially considering that a lot of desktops don't even handle those sites very smoothly.
I guess I can't refute your point.

Not to get off point, but has anyone played a video longer than a couple of minutes on the 810? Is there a particular file format that works better than the others in terms of playback performance?

jimmyh 2007-12-03 08:18
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdarnton (Post 103682)
The web's usable, but it's not fun. Some sites are really problems.

The opening page on Amazon.com takes infinity to open, or crashes my browser. Lots of sites have a lot of components to load, and you can watch the count go up to 300, often, a few at a time! I think, but am not sure, that bad javascript causes a hang of 30 seconds or so, with no messages or anything.

On the other hand, my own business websites, designed by my wife, who's fanatical about download sizes, errors, and compatibility, open almost instantly and flawlessly, so I'm guessing that the problems with some sites are their bad or bloated design, not really the 810's fault, unless it really does handle errors poorly, which I'm not sure of. If you do error checks on commercial websites, you'll find many of them are design horrors.
This is dissapointing news. Amazon.com loads quickly and no crasheson n800 opera.

Karwee 2007-12-03 09:04
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
I watched the whole Trinity Blood anime series on it for 2+ hours and noticed no performance drop as time went on. It was an AVI file and I used mplayer to play it.
Would like to add that divx plays poorly.

ArnimS 2007-12-03 12:46
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dubiousmike (Post 103711)
Is it possible to upgrade the unit from the paltry 128 MB to something higher?
NO
Quote:
Originally Posted by dubiousmike (Post 103711)
Why not 1 gig?
Because RAM consumes significant amounts of battery in low-power devices.

GeneralAntilles 2007-12-03 13:03
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dubiousmike (Post 103726)
Not to get off point, but has anyone played a video longer than a couple of minutes on the 810? Is there a particular file format that works better than the others in terms of playback performance?
I watched several hours of TV and movies flying out to California and back over thanksgiving, no problems at all.

The key to perfect video: MPEG4 at 1000-1500Kbps, 25-30fps at no more than 400x240 with MP3 audio.

DingerX 2007-12-03 13:16
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
...and transcoding is easy.

I installed OS2008, and, yeah, I found that the Mozilla browser doesn't seem quite as quick as Opera. But it could just be my experience.

Flash-heavy sites are kinda like what they were on a windows 98 machine with a 400-mhz processor. If they keep 'em fast, okay, but overdoing it kills the experience.

kilmar 2007-12-03 14:04
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
What I find infuriating is that sites with a lot of frames or pictures require almost the whole page to load before you can scroll.

On some sites, I sit there waiting for:
Loading 1 of 112
Loading 50 of 116
Loading 75 of 122
Loading 122 of 128

The final count number just goes higher as the browser "finds" more things to load. Granted it's not "slow", but it's definitely not quick.

mdarnton 2007-12-03 14:11
Re: How is the web experience on the 810?
 
I just checked errors on the amazon.com site. The opening page has more than 1400 errors! The other commercial sites that do work well, when I checked them they all had under 400. That's a pretty big difference. It sounds like Amazon is not trying too hard to smooth our web experience.

And in the vein of what kilmar notices, the Amazon count is around 300 elements.

Too bad, I'm a huge Amazon customer, but I guess they don't really want me.


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