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I think what ioan is saying is why do Black people call each other that term? Ok, most of my black friends use it among themselves, almost synonymous with the word brother, but when some one who is not black uses it (In a NON-offensive way, as in the term meaning brother), some of them get offended. The people who don't get offended are the people who know the guy calling them that, usually. Also, people here don't just use the "n-word" for black people. Indian, Asian, White, Latino, are all called it. As I said, its not a derogatory term here for the most part, but more like "Hey nigga" = "Hey Brother"....

A good friend you can insult all the way. She knows you're joking, not seriously trying to hurt her. From an outsider, however... so you have different relationships with specific people (and even groups as well as different behaviour.

Here, in Sicily, we joke all the time about mafia, and bosses, and people buried in concrete pillars, and so on... but if one from another Italian region, or from abroad, recalls these issues, even while joking in the same way, we happen to get very much offended :-)
Here some kind of collective identity hasn't been elaborated enough through the years and overcome - both for niggers and "picciotti". I'm sure also something similar makes flames out from WASPs, scandinavians, aussies and people from the antarctica!

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Originally Posted by ioan (Post 236178)

I'm not in any way racist... far from it, just that this doesn't make any sense. If is that offensive should not be use by ANYBODY.

No. I have no problem with the use of the term in historical or litterary context (as has been done in this thread). If you read the slave narratives you will note that blacks while in slavery took to calling each other "niggers." This was due to being called that all day every day by those who either owned or had power over them. Also, and this goes into why it is currently supposedly "OK" to use it now, It devolved into a means of equating people and "putting them in their place" among the in-group. Even among people who do not use the term in normal conversation WILL use the term in reference to someone who has offended them or has otherwise acted in a "bad" manner.

The rule of thumb , which works with all "in groups" is that if you're not in the group it is in your best interest to not use any "in group" language.

Now those younger (and older) people who use the term in reference to any one of any race who happens to be in their personal 'in group" like it's no thing: They are ****ing *****s and usually haven't a clue on history aside from what little **** they got in school. And as a matter of fact 99% of these people, even in their most "free" attitude will refrain from using the term in reference to certain types of black people; which is clearly indicative that they know FULL WELL how ****ed up the usage of that particular word as a "familiar" word is to reference one another.

Anyway. This is mostly off topic and I hate hijacked threads.

In conservative Catholic Bavaria, you can go to jail for blasphemy. This new law was introduced when M-TV aired the series Popetown, which was heavily attacked by the ignorant leading Christian right-wing party, here.
Usually I don't like M-TV, but for airing Popetown I want to thank them for having the balls to stand up against Jesus' bullies.

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Originally Posted by ioan (Post 236171)

Explain to me why a black person can use the word "negro" whenever, and I can't because I'm white.

It's a jive thing. Honkeys just don't dig it, man.

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Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 236174)

Tell you what ioan after you've had your ancestors shipped across the atlantic for about 3 months with minimal food and in "quarters" fit for a chihuahua, then getting off said ship in the caribbean and having strange people feel you up and split you up from your family (assuming you were so "lucky" as to have had them shipped with you) and sent on another ship to another strange a** country where another set of people felt you up before buying you and putting you to work in some hot ***** field from sun up to sunset. Not to mention the frequent beatings, poor food and liability to be strung up from a tree for such offenses as being well...black, whistling or god forbid trying to get out of your situation.

Oh and then the whole share cropping thing, the whole you can't sit, stand, drink, eat, piss or shyt, here, here, here or here. Nor can you go to school or live here, here, here or here and should you attempt to do so you will find such lovely things as burning crosses on your property assuming you haven't had your property burnt to the ground...

Do I need to go on?

Look, I don't really approve of the typical use of the word by those fitting the above discreption, but the mere fact that it needs to be explained to you means you really ought to bone up on the history of the country you're currently living in before passing some really bad argument as a case of lack of free speech.

Anyway, in the states at worst you have a fine from the FCC (or perhaps get fired from a private company). In Europe you so much as look at a Jew wrong and you can find yourself in jail (I'm exagerating of course). Whole pieces of literature and paraphernalia are "illegal" as it may offend a certain group or "cause" people to hate jews. I find that completely offensive.

I've always found that a bogus and possibly dishonest reasoning; if you go back far enough, everbody's ancestors have been persecuted, burned, hung, drawn and/or quartered, or even looked at in a funny way. I refuse to take responsibility -- or even worse: guilt -- for what my possible ancestors did to someone else's possible ancestors. There ought to be a statute of limitations on these things, and if there ever is one, it should have ended about a century ago.

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Originally Posted by pycage (Post 236250)

So when was the last time MTV did a schtick on Mohammed and underage girls?

Heck, from what I've heard Jeff Durham practically had to go in hiding; and Ac<phlegm>hmed isn't even muslim.

BTW, from what I gather, Popetown can't be all that good; it's not even actively torrented anymore, seems like noone wants it.

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 236308)

No sir, your argument is bogus:

1) Native Americans didn't do **** to Europeans.
2) Ashanti's never did **** to Europeans.
3) Igbos never did **** to europeans.
4) Yorubas never did **** to Europeans.
5) Kikuyu never did **** to Europeans.

Shall I continue or has the point been made?

And sir, if you want to extend that "I refuse to take responsibility for what my ancestors did."

Then I suppose you wont be passing along any of your fortunes to your kids right?