Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

I blame qole and timsamoff. ;)

That's not what that line means. Rather, it means council-related tasks will be assigned and handled through the maemo.org sprints, not that the council members will get maemo.org tasks there (although that is true, too).

In order to be effective on the council, you have to be informed. Being informed takes time and it takes effort. Whether or not you take the time to make yourself informed when you're not on the council is immaterial. When you're on the council, you have to be. Your job as facilitator requires it.

If you're not informed about what's going on in the different sectors of the community, you can't possibly be expected to communicate this information around, or use it to help connect the right people on the right projects.

We decided to piggyback on the maemo.org sprints for council-related stuff to save time and energy.

That's 3-4 hours a week on top of whatever other activities you're doing (which makes it slightly more weighty than 3-4 hours alone). Nobody who isn't already investing time in the community is ever going to get elected to the council, and council work is going to add extra time (and stress) on top of your existing efforts.

Really, my real point is that it's not an easy position and not something anybody should consider taking on lightly. I really don't want to see the day when someone gets elected who was planning on investing no additional time or effort in the position.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

One thing the council and only the council did was to hire the new maemo.org debmaster. And that was not an easy task.

A public discussion and poll with all the candidates for the position doesn't sound like a good idea. It's one thing that made sense to delegate to the council as representatives of the community.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

Sure, but this doesn't mean that all members need to follow all the channels and all the topics. Not doing that saves time and also forces yourselves to report better (to the rest of council members and the community) on what is really relevant in the areas you are focusing.

For instance, Kees is in maemo-devel mostly and he is barely in tmo. And that's totally fine, as long as he is able to summarize (e.g. in the council blog) what is going on from a developer point of view.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

So your afraid to lose a few people at the risk of involving many more people. It seems like if they are going to participate, the form that communication comes in would not stop them. Additionally, IS THIS TWO WAY INTEGRATION? If so, this is not really a problem, this will solve my gripe :rolleyes:

Well, it seems like this could be integrated into the login ID and only available to the users that login? Even if the login was not integrated, just making that page only available to logged in user would work too?

And nobody thinks they should, but specific formal communication to me, should come in one form, in one place, making it easier for the USER community to follow


I will just leave this alone, for fear of going off topic ;)

All this said, not everyone one needs to be told everything, but if there is a single place to go, to see formal council communication I fail to see how this is a bad thing. So I go to talk, click on council, then, have some breakouts, development, community involvment, whatever. Then larger user community could have visibility into the topics and contribute easily in one place.


Additionally wouldn't it be easier for council to just use one form for official communication?

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

Great read. Even while I continue to remain skeptical, I find your level headed optimism infectious.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

On this note, can you please learn how to use quotes so I can actually respond to your points?

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

That's why God invented copy and paste. :p

You mean to make it EASIER to respond to his points.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

penguinbait doesn't want to be inconvenienced by mailing lists, I don't want to be inconvenienced by having to format his posts for him so I can respond to them.

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

I fixed that for you, now lets please not start going down this path, WE have been doing so well today ;)

Re: What role does the Maemo Community Council's play?
 

The same goes for the people here and the lists. This isn't a one-sided issue.

That's the plan, yes, but there are technical hurdles here that I haven't yet discussed with the people who are likely to be implementing it, so I don't know whether they can be overcome. . . .

Sure, that might be an option, but that doesn't help much on the Freenode side of things.

Then why isn't -community an option? ;)

Not really, no, it's easiest to communicate wherever you happen to feel like communicating at that moment.