Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

To me it says Apple must step up R & D if they want to stay in the game. Some of the press were already touting the N900 as being superior to the iPhone but then again the press sometimes goes whichever way the wind blows. In any event there hasn't been a lot of "the iPhone does this better" remarks.

Nokia wanted to change the subject of the conversation from "How does (insert the name of any new device) compare to the iPhone" to "The N900 is a mobile computer" with its unspoken corollary, the iPhone is not a mobile computer...

Now Anssi Vanjoki not only highlights Nokia's impressive mobile computing history (steps 1 through 3), but the fact that Nokia is not finished yet. The unspoken corollary... what was Apples plan again?

Kudos Nokia... well played.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

I was thinking its a very good thing Nokia is doing and fantastic news for end users.

Have faith, i cant see Tmobile not stocking this device soon after launch. I think the 1700mhz was used because Tmob was onboard early on with this device and aside from a few tweaks will allow you to use it as Nokia intended.

Im sure Tmob are looking for a way to gain market share against the leaders in the US and see a relaxed approach to handset use in the US as a way to achieve this. Its a differentiator and devices like the N900 (Maemo) are distributive to the current market practice which are often feared by the top heavy.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

Not if you actually fully or almost fully use the bundle. If you fully use your bundle every month you're saving money. You'd save more money than if you go unlocked phone + SIM only subscription.

But that is the problem partly: if you have a bundle, you want to use it, because you're paying for it every month. You're also bound to the contract (with its vague FUP), and the phone (for which you pay every month).

SIM only is only a subscription (often for at least one year) but in essence a subsidized phone is a loan. You bought something on credit. You pay for it every month for one or two years. I don't want that inflexibility!

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

Hmm, I see netbooks sold with subscriptions. Its similar.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

I was also disappointed by the time given to the N900 in the webcast keynotes. So much more time was spent on the other devices, compared to the N900, it almost seemed like Nokia was trying to play down the N900, because they know this is a very disruptive device.

If I was a carrier, I'd fear the N900 too. It is the first seed of their destruction ;)

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

It isn't step 5/5. Those interested will be hooked on Maemo Summit & more news.

EDIT: Vodafone NL won't sell Nokia N900.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

Exactly ^

Not to sound like a broken record but I believe all Nokia wants is the same relationship with a carrier as Apple has with a carrier.
From what I could see, Apple dictated the terms to AT&T not the other way around.

In the US this was very unusual. Typically a carrier either tweaked a manufacturers offering or put the specs it wanted in a device out for bids, if you will. In a lot of cases it was the manufactures themselves that came up with various schemes that carriers could use to increase ARPU.

Apple changed all that using the leverage of its brand along with a device that exceeded everyone’s expectations and pro'ly pitched by its well known and respected CEO. They have a unique relationship with AT&T and I'm sure carriers want to keep it that way... unique. All other device manufacturers must play by the old rules. This gives Apple a huge advantage over everyone else.

Then Nokia comes along and exceeds everyone’s expectations with the N900. A subsidy deal may still come but none of the usual sources have seen any sales collateral yet so it may not be very soon. It sounds like Nokia didn’t expect anything with this “step” anyway. The N900 may have opened a lot of previously closed doors for a harmatten device though.

Does anybody else think this thread's title needs to be changed. Nokia finding “it difficult to form network partnerships” is a quite a bit different than “networks rejecting” devices. If a phone in the US has a carriers correctly provisioned SIM and the device itself is capable of the networks frequencies, it can’t be rejected. It may not have access to network SMS and MMS gateways or other server side services but the correct IP addy’s could be added later.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

I think Apple just happened to have hit at the right time with an idea/pitch to AT&T that Verizon didn't fully go for - they were pitched the iPhone first but found the concessions were too limiting... right? I never know if that is fiction or not.

Anyway, I just don't personally see the N900 as a game-changer as the iPhone. The game has already changed once. And I see the N900 being grossly underestimated by the suits, and overestimated by... well "us".

It's a push in the right direction. I just hope that Nokia doesn't go the route of making a carrier bend to their will. The consumer suffers imho.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

It amazes me how so called experts are allowed a keyboard, if anyone can enlighten this fellow, please do.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352501,00.asp
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Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 

well in my humble opinion i don't think subsidies should allow carriers to lock your device. I mean lets be serious guys you bought the phone its your to keep you earned that phone and you signed two years of your life with a company if anything they should be thanking you.