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Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

i'm quite sure that "Deployment" also includes deploying the embedded runtime after shipping.
nokia has to pay these royalities or we will forever have to cope with the evaluation...

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

This could be an alternative:

https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page

I use it sometimes on the freerunner.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

All these alternatives etc are pretty useless until you get to install a single package from Extras, click on any .jar or .jad file from the File Manager and get the MIDP program running instantly.

All the above stuff, either from Sun or from Jalimo, is just some cruft for Java geeks. Has been this way for months.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

I would use Java on the N900 at least for one reason:

Opera Mini

I think nothing beats Mini's efficiency. For the few things Mini does, it does it remarkably well...

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

Java by itself is possibly just 'nice to have', but Java applets is a 'must have'. In my country all the banks (and I mean _all_) are changing to a system where not only net banking, but also credit card validation is done through a java applet. Without it, these things can't be done with the tablets (or the N900). Which is a major bummer, in particular when travelling.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 348427)

Ewwww really?

Good God thats awful. I thought they had taken Java applets out the back and shot them by now.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

Perhaps it would be OK to port the Java ME specification.....that shouldn't suck too much horsepower.

But a full-blown SE JVM.....F that into a cocked hat.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

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Originally Posted by SubCore (Post 348305)

i just realized that these packages are evaluation NOT because they're beta versions or under developement, these are evaluation because sun wants to MAKE $$$ FAST on embedded devices :)

see here
Q10 and Q11 are relevant.

Hmm, other questions imply that the embedded version is designed for embedded, limited/single purpose devices - which isn't what the n900 is about. The page also implies that ARM versions of normal Java SE exist, but I can't find a download - not that I've looked very hard.

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

Try this:

https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/inde...stall_packages

You're only a click away from a JVM.

I really don't like Java. I prefer true C, C++ apps as they are faster. But open source is made of choices, so why shouldn't there be java for maemo?

Re: Java support on N900, the missing thing!!

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Originally Posted by jaark (Post 348441)

These downloads are in fact the ARM versions of JavaSE.

I believe Sun didn't quite anticipate that powerful devices like the n900 would so soon be able to host a full Java SE. You're right, these downloads are aimed at other, more specialized embedded devices (TV-set top boxes f.ex.), so you as a manufacturer can evaluate the possibilities.

Note that there are no similar evaluation downloads for Java ME!

edit: Hogwash is right though, the SE JVM probably won't perform too well. it's just that these downloads are currently the only way to get sun java on this tablet.
Porting Java ME is a huge licensing issue. If Nokia didn't "buy" it for the N900 already, chances are they are never gonna do so.