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penyeach 2009-10-12 10:09

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 343405)
You assume popularity is the only viable method for filtering. It is not the only viable one, and its not fault tolerant. Ie. instead of going to the popular McDonalds I rather go to a restaurant a friend who is chef recommends. Chances are also, I already know McDonalds, because of its popularity.

Therefore, some kind of algorithm which combines various factors (such as popularity, authority) and based on intelligent profiling is required (OK, initially for fun project perhaps not, but if you want something scalable and usable...).

The question is which factors? This is difficult...

I'd say, assume not same weight for every person you meet, give friends (and friends of friends) more influence than strangers. And, allow to set 'good friends' (typical a human has 0-5 of these). This, together with popularity gives initially an OK result IMO. (But there is more necessary.)

One interesting angle to study might indeed be the linking to your existing social graph with more weight given to closer/more valued/expert friends.

But one of the ideas that seemed interesting during the discussions (I was a workshop participant) was that of serendipity: stumbling upon something that's different from your usual social memes. The idea is that most people would be motivated to spread something that they find genuinely interesting and somewhat personal.

So, if people were actively selecting the things they choose to emit, McDonalds noise shouldn't also be a big problem (unless McD comes up with a campaign giving out coupons for those who transmit the message :().

lcuk 2009-10-12 14:46

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
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Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 343000)
Obvious problem with #4 (which I think is a very cool idea) - given very few participants in this communal experience, you would quickly run out of storage.

the central conductor could be any type of computer available.

storage space would be an issue for hours and hours of videos, but most of the media we see from events discussed are not of this nature.

a pile of photos, some videos, and other media types depending on the event/users.

lcuk 2009-10-12 14:51

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
1 & 2 are actually similar in a way to the band one.

supposing someone started the orchestra app and supplied some data: "at the wedding of gary&tracy in manchester"
anyone in the group would have those tags available use.

Flandry 2009-10-12 15:03

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
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Originally Posted by Marieke (Post 343236)
To which concept are you referring: Contagious Content?

Yes, i'm still talking about #1. I'm having trouble conceiving of common, interesting use cases that would not involve copyright violations. Just getting links is, at least at that step, probably "clean", but the whole concept falls down in a world where intellectual property copyright is the default paradigm, and is litigation bait. Not something any sensible company is going to get behind as an avante garde showpiece.

I guess i'm saying that i don't see how this got from brainstorm (it's very interesting in concept) to something actually being seriously proposed as a valid design idea.

ragnar 2009-10-12 16:11

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
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Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 344510)
Yes, i'm still talking about #1. I'm having trouble conceiving of common, interesting use cases that would not involve copyright violations. Just getting links is, at least at that step, probably "clean", but the whole concept falls down in a world where intellectual property copyright is the default paradigm, and is litigation bait. Not something any sensible company is going to get behind as an avante garde showpiece.

I guess i'm saying that i don't see how this got from brainstorm (it's very interesting in concept) to something actually being seriously proposed as a valid design idea.

I think there are many flavours within this concept, and I would actually think the majority of them would be legal.

If the concept works within the scope of devices passing links to favourite contents between each other, I don't see anything illegal with that. (And given use cases where two persons quickly pass each other on the street, transferring something more than just links isn't even realistic.) Reviewing top interesting links and acquiring the content from the network would be probably even encouraged by the content owners.

Now, if this would be built as an open extensible system, and somebody would built another extension that would start in certain cases to transmit media files directly to each other after passing the links (in cases where we can see that the two persons are remaining in the same room for a while), certainly you wouldn't expect any company to ship with something like that out of the box.

Then again. I see it like this: Means for copyright infringement are already enabled on all devices. I can do a lot of copyright infringement even on my N900, by downloading material, sending and sharing it. It isn't even very hard right now. I'm not convinced that whether something is easy or hard to do it more or less problematic. It's the users that choose to perform illegal actions with their devices, if they choose to do so.

Then again, an extensible plugin architecture might also spawn some completely new and wonderful use cases. For instance combining flavours of concept #4 here: I choose to share some high res pictures I have myself taken with the device to anyone interested. Them receiving these pictures would spawn a spark of creativity within themselves, and something new would be created as a result of combining media.

lcuk 2009-10-13 11:35

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
hey guys,
I have just looked over the live editing one and realised something, wasn't part of the early concepts related to cutting and splicing video?

One of the guys gave an example relating to shooting a video stream, pause move/adjust/change settings continue recording - which is the only real need for live editing.

the artwork is concentrated on the photo aspects, which are taken care of relatively easily right now.

being able to do the simple video editing functions from the device at or soon after capture time is the feature missing that has been mentioned often.

even such things as cut and splice directly would allow you to shoot movies at an event, cleanup and organize your movie in the taxi and present live from the device at the aftershow party!

ColdFusion 2009-11-05 21:56

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Is there going to come some kind of product out of these ideas?

Is someone working on implementing them?

Marieke 2009-11-10 12:27

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
These ideas can be the start for products, but whether they will become actual products depends both on the Maemo community and Nokia. It will all be presented at Nokia internally, where they can use them for further development. But they are also a start for further development here online. I'm working on a special wiki for this.

Marieke

chrisp7 2009-11-20 02:09

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Concept 1 sounds great in principle but you will need to have A LOT of people with maemo products for this to work in reality. Its like the Zune 'social' concept - great in theory, but in reality it didnt reach tipping point.

Concept 2 sounds the most realistic and with a 'wow factor'. Id add that perhaps this could enhance the contacts application (if possible) so that all photos tagged to a contact show up in the contact profile.


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