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Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 359387)

No. What we are asking for is definitely NOT a solid date..

What we are demanding is that the n900 may ... or may not be ... delivered in mid November. I mean, what's the use of us staying up all night arguing that there may .. or may not be, a final firmware version if this forum comes along next morning and gives you it's md5sum?

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by andree (Post 359404)

the unforunate thing is, that the development doesn't stop for concurrent companies - and if Nokia spends another 4 months fixing existing stuff, and simultaneously developing n900+1 and maemo 6, that is

1) kinda' unfair treatment for future n900 buyers (even more so, if n900 support will only last until n900+1)...

2) unfortunate for maemo itself, as android/webos/apple/winmo will get many new users+devs, and nokia gets.. well.. not much... not everyone is that enthusiastic about using/developing software for virtual machines :)

3) by 2009/02, I'm sure many new devices will be out, and I'm quite sure n900 specs won't look so cool then, as they do today...

See, the exact reasons why Nokia's not giving us a date =)

I've met a lot of nice people here at the forums... But I think I'm moving over to the android forum now as I won't be having a Nokia as my next phone :)

For those who ordered it and are sticking with it, I wish you good luck and enjoy the phone. Maybe I'll get a N910 or whatever is next, but the n900 is not going to be my next phone :)

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

Still boggles my mind all the anger. Products get delayed all the time, noone forced anyone to pre-order. If anything there was never any indication that there would be a shortage of supply. I almost pre-ordered and then realized due to knowing how much Nokia delays stuff (see N97, N95, N78, N79, 5800, E75 are you seeing a pattern here?) it would be a bad idea.

Just wait till its released and then complain about bugs etc...

Here is a post from an s60 user on Nokia delays from Howard Forums, I feel like some of the points are wrong but lots are spot on (the ones to do with Nokia and not maemo)

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Originally Posted by Snotick

t still amazes me the way people react to Nokia in regards to the announcement, release dates, fw updates and bugs/build quality of their phones.

It only takes a little bit of research here at HOFO to know the following about Nokia:

1-They always announce a phone many months before you will ever be able to buy it.

2-They will make you think if you preorder the new model, that you will be the first ones to receive the phone. When in reality, you will spend weeks, maybe months reading other peoples reviews about the same phone that they bought at Amazon, Dell or Newegg.

3-There will always be software and hardware bugs/defects that will need to be fixed before a new Nokia phone can really be deemed usable. Yet people run out and buy (some preorder) said phone and then complain about each and every problem until Nokia fixes it. Most Nokia phones become much better after V20 fw updates.

4-Nokia rarely (if ever) has release dates for fw or phones, and if they do, they rarely (if ever) stick to that date.

5-Nokia will never give you one phone with all the features that it has in its manufacturing arsenal. You can scream from the the rooftops of Espoo Finland about the one or two features that was missing from your phone (N82=3G, 5800=Internet Radio, etc) It will never happen as long as people continue to buy the current offerings Nokia releases.

I feel sorry for the first time Nokia buyers that may not read reviews here or on other websites. Those buyers that may stumble upon a newly released model, not knowing what to expect.

But for everyone else, especially those members of HOFO (me included) who have owned multiple Nokia phones of the past few years, we should know exactly what to expect from Nokia. Its sad to say but we need to expect less from them, then we wont be disappointed.

Know that every new phone announced will take 6 months before you see it.

Never preorder through Nokia, you can get it just as fast (and cheaper) elsewhere.

Never buy the first batch of phones, wait 3 months for bugs to show themselves. (You may not want the phone then)

Wait until the phone is shipping with V20 FW, this will ensure most bugs have been corrected.

Never buy a phone, thinking that the FW will be out in a few days. It could be weeks or months in reality.

Never skip buying a current phone, thinking that the next model will have the one feature that your missing. Odds are, Nokia wont put it on the new model either.

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by mobiledivide (Post 359411)

Still boggles my mind all the anger. Products get delayed all the time,

I think it's not the delays that are bothering people so much as the lack of communication. More than most devices the Maemo line are Nokia products, but community efforts. It wouldn't hurt Nokia to just be open and honest about whatever the problem is, or at least it wouldn't hurt more than the uncertainty is already doing. As it is people are speculating wildly about hardware problems, inadequate battery performance, and critical bugs; a little clarity wouldn't go amis.

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

Sorry to barge in on the thread like this but I had to vent my feelings regarding this:

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Originally Posted by ABerri (Post 359351)

[...] to my knowledge the HD2 is not a "lesser" phone [...]

If you consider the HD2 to be greater or equal to the N900 then you have missed the point of the N900. If that is the case, then try them and see which one you prefer. The HD2 looks like a nice piece of kit. Perhaps it's the one more suitable for you.

It is however a lesser phone.

Note that greater and lesser is not the same as better or worse. :)

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

Agreed Mr Jaaksi who apparently accepts blame for the delay should have done better by the community and made a decent announcement about the slipping ship dates.

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Originally Posted by ewan (Post 359420)

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by Mengs (Post 359408)

I think I'm moving over to the android forum now as I won't be having a Nokia as my next phone :)

How quickly we forget the never-ending delays and lack of communication from Google regarding the 'Cupcake' update...how the G1 was the only Android phone available for months...how slow Android is...how you gotta jailbreak the friggin' things to get root...Google's treatment of customers and developers (can you say 'Cyanogen'?).

So some are moving from the Android forum to here, for I guess basically the same type of reasons people here are complaining. The grass is always greener on the other side.

As for me, after just a year I'm kinda sick of my G1 and Android. Both are too limited. To me, the Maemo is what Android should've been and never can be. Not it won't be - it can't be. Anyway, I'll be quite satisfied to wait a bit longer for the best hardware/software combination available.

But that's just me, and to each his own. Lotsa luck...

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by fcukwaiting (Post 359342)

I'm through with being treated like an idiot.

Your stores took my preorder back in September and since then...

Nothing.

Delay upon delay and when you do finally release some info. You email some other website instead of informing us, here at the maemo community.

So I'm done.

Cancelled my preoder today and ordered a HTC HD2 because they at least

LIKE EVERY OTHER COMPANY WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THEIR CONSUMERS

Your crap annual profit is more than justified.

**** Nokia

Please feel free to combine these words in the order of your choice

***, don't, door, let, the, hit, you, way, on, out, the

The mature nature of your posting suggests that you are being treated exactly as you warrant,

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 359377)

I'm not an expert either, but I think that I agree with your careful analysis of the situation.

Should we get a third opinion? Or maybe an expert should settle this for good :)

I'm glad yourself and Danramos agrees, because i was beginning to doubt my 'i'm awfully upset' radar.

Getting back to matter at hand... of course there is going to be a lot of frustration at the moment, spitting the dummy out and chucking the toys out the pram, is not going to bring the device out any sooner. Unless, Nokia in the past have relented to such hissy fits and i'm not aware of it.

Re: A Message To Nokia, Peter, & Maemo Staff

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 359453)

Please feel free to combine these words in the order of your choice

***, don't, door, let, the, hit, you, way, on, out, the

you don't hit the door, let the way on out "pal"?

That makes no sense at all, Bratag. Jees.