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frals 2009-11-09 19:58

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370137)
one more note (to comment, which has been deleted by author): nobody could blame Nokia, if they will say for example: MMS won't be available on the beginning, but we will give help/implement it during 12 months for example. currently it looks like - you device, your problem.

I deleted it as I felt it was slightly OT to go into specifics.

Either way, they have helped with the MMS part - I woke up the other day with the wappushd headersfile in my inbox, sent from a kind spirit @nokia.com. :)

marcinw 2009-11-09 19:58

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 370141)
California and India belong to the vast finnish empire than spans three continents?

OK, I have seen Finland only. How many offers are in the California/India ? 1, 2, 3, 10, 20, 100 ? And what about other countries ?

marcinw 2009-11-09 20:00

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by frals (Post 370144)
I deleted it as I felt it was slightly OT to go into specifics.

Either way, they have helped with the MMS part - I woke up the other day with the wappushd headersfile in my inbox, sent from a kind spirit @nokia.com. :)

OK, good ! We need more news like this. But from the other hand: open-source friendly company will say officialy, that help, not help unofficialy.

timoph 2009-11-09 20:02

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 370141)
California and India belong to the vast finnish empire than spans three continents?

Yes. Resistance is futile. You all will be whining in finnish soon :)

Rauha 2009-11-09 20:09

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370146)
OK, I have seen Finland only. How many offers are in the California/Inida ? 1, 2, 3, 10, 20, 100 ? And what about other countries ?

Nokia has 11 research centers, only 2 of these are in Finland. link.

Nokia does collaboration with 12 top universities, only 3 of these are in Finland link.

Nokia does business in over 150 countries. They localize products in over 180 languages. Are there any other high tech corporations who does that kind of localization, besides Microsoft? Name me other high tech corporation that open research center in countries like Kenya?

Ok, maybe they don't offer just the kind of jobs you want in just the country you want. Is that really must requirement for being "open"?

zerojay 2009-11-09 20:11

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370129)
How many Open Source has you created ? What is their ranking on the freshmeat.net for example ?

And that's completely irrelevant. You are complaining that there's no community here (which is already quite wrong) and then assuming community means just programmers when it's FAR from the case in ANY community.

Next time, instead of writing up your little rant... how about you put a little research into your claims beforehand, huh?

mikec 2009-11-09 20:12

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370148)
OK, good ! We need more news like this. But from the other hand: open-source friendly company will say officialy, that help, not help unofficialy.

marcinw
sadly there is a price to Freedom, and its called participation. Mistakes will be made, but at least you can say you were there.

Mike C

marcinw 2009-11-09 20:15

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 370156)
Nokia has 11 research centers, only 2 of these are in Finland. link.

Nokia does collaboration with 12 top universities, only 3 of these are in Finland link.

Nokia does business in over 150 countries. They localize products in over 180 languages. Are there any other high tech corporations who does that kind of localization, besides Microsoft? Name me other high tech corporation that open research center in countries like Kenya?

Ok, maybe they don't offer just the kind of jobs you want in just the country you want. Is that really must requirement for being "open"?

Fact, that big company has got employes in some country, doesn't mean, that they work on Open Source projects. For example Nokia Poland - they seems to sell phones only.

wmarone 2009-11-09 20:18

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370075)
2008 (or 2009). Really free phones (OpenMoko) are dying.

To be fair, OpenMoko was the only phone with a fully FOSS stack. It died, however, because of the economic downturn coupled with an impossible to follow software stack and hardware whose wlan data capabilities were equal to phones from 10 years ago, along with mediocre at best battery life.

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Originally Posted by marcinw
Fact, that big company has got employes in some country, doesn't mean, that they work on Open Source projects. For example Nokia Poland - they seems to sell phones only.

Of course not, sometimes a company's presence in a country is purely as a sales office. This says nothing about anything else they do.

yerga 2009-11-09 20:22

Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370148)
OK, good ! We need more news like this. But from the other hand: open-source friendly company will say officialy, that help, not help unofficialy.

You're missing an important detail here, there aren't N900s shipping yet, when they ship surely Nokia will release more documentation and more source code than the parts in the SDK.
They are helping even before that the device hits the streets, isn't it nice?


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