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fatalsaint 2010-02-12 20:18

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 523695)
Telecom services management; managing credits for voice, data plans SMS; banking (a lot of banks require you to access from the SIM card menu); purchasing or changing plans; filing support and services request; purchasing additional connectivity options; changing network configurations; consulting network options and other stuff like that.

All of that looks like stuff available from their respective web sites...

Especially the bank stuff.. what bank does SIM menu that doesn't do online banking now-a-days?

UNderworld 2010-02-12 20:18

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by waleed786 (Post 523652)
And you should NEVER buy something this expensive based on the sellers description. They want you to buy it, s obviously they wont name the negative points. Thats why we have reviewers. If people had read the reviews theyre expectations wouldnt have been off by so much.

u cant rely on reviews because every person has different needs... i read loads of reviews. some said the music player IS NOT THAT GOOD.. and some said its very good... . the specific problem is never mentioned.. every single bit will not b in a review... and i never saw any review about sim card functions aswell

Fargus 2010-02-12 20:19

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
GSM covers the communication standard with the network. SIM menu access is nothing to do with GSM it is an extension to the SIM and is supported by some, but not all, operating standards. There is an issue withe USSD codes for GSM at present but that is another issue.

colnago 2010-02-12 20:19

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mazi (Post 523680)
what menu??!

Maybe this stuff?

Thanks for your attention. I am as much sorry for the aggressiveness of this post as I am for every poor soul who can't access credits, services and other operator related functions that are buried in the SIM card.

Maybe its more for people that use "pay as you go" type service? 4+ years with a 3G phone and I've never had a need to access my SIM card, save for contacts, but I exported them into *.csv or *.vcf format a while ago. I guess there are people that need to get in there more often.

fatalsaint 2010-02-12 20:20

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by waleed786 (Post 523698)
not to get off topic but how is technology far more ahead to use SIM cards to store contacts? Easily switch phones without having to re-enter contacts, what other technology do we have that does that? Saving it to the memory card does not always work because not all phone use the same format of contacts or even the memory card. Sending contacts over Bluetooth would take forever. SIM contacts on a phone is something that is universally available and I dont think there is any technology that came do the same.

I agree that nothing is quite like that.. but that is becoming antiquated. Assuming you follow a "normal" upgrade model.. almost all smart phones now-a-days sync to some service or another - google being a very popular one.

So if you go from Android, to the N900, for example (which is what i hope to be doing).. you're contacts are all stored in google, not your SIM.. much less likely to be broken or lost there too.. (standard privacy concerns input here)..

Now.. if you go from an android phone back to a 90's flip phone.. then yeah - no more contacts.

Texrat 2010-02-12 20:20

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 523699)
All of that looks like stuff available from their respective web sites...

Especially the bank stuff.. what bank does SIM menu that doesn't do online banking now-a-days?

...and in fact my carrier (AT&T) installs phone numbers in my contacts for all services.

UNderworld 2010-02-12 20:22

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 523695)
Telecom services management; managing credits for voice, data plans SMS; banking (a lot of banks require you to access from the SIM card menu); purchasing or changing plans; filing support and services request; purchasing additional connectivity options; changing network configurations; consulting network options and other stuff like that.

bloody hell all of that ??? i only ever used to store contacts and messages on it.....

ARJWright 2010-02-12 20:22

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 523695)
Telecom services management; managing credits for voice, data plans SMS; banking (a lot of banks require you to access from the SIM card menu); purchasing or changing plans; filing support and services request; purchasing additional connectivity options; changing network configurations; consulting network options and other stuff like that.

Curious, who's your carrier?

I hear your argument, but am betting on something based on my question. Thanks in advance.

waleed786 2010-02-12 20:23

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by UNderworld (Post 523702)
u cant rely on reviews because every person has different needs... i read loads of reviews. some said the music player IS NOT THAT GOOD.. and some said its very good... . the specific problem is never mentioned.. every single bit will not b in a review... and i never saw any review about sim card functions aswell

Those are personal reviews. In the professional reviews (at least the ones I read) they never say "not good" without giving reasons why. So read the reasons, if your okay with it, then you can just ignore that comment. my fav review site is mobiletechreview.com because theyre detailed and dont give personal opinions, just facts and comparisons. They dont say the music player is not good, they say the music player is not AS good as the iphone.

soeiro 2010-02-12 20:24

Re: Why does Nokia keep selling the N900 as a phone?
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 523699)
All of that looks like stuff available from their respective web sites...

Especially the bank stuff.. what bank does SIM menu that doesn't do online banking now-a-days?

Unfortunately, they are not all available from their websites. Some features are ONLY available from the SIM menu (credit management, for example, the most important). Some others are available if you do go personally to a service representative.

As for the banks, go figure. I think that is because they already have some kind of technology that has been tested and works with all phones (those that have SIM menus and wap access, that is) and they don't want to change. The other option would be to access from the web browser with java, if it was available.


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