Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I still do not understand why the discussion goes on and on talking about the good and the bads of both Ovi Store and App Manager and how bad or good is going to be if one of them goes away.

Again the subject is not that. I am not talking about discontinue one of them and stick with the other. I am talking about a Complete MERGE. Call it App Manager, call it Ovi Store call it MeeGo Store, MeeGo App Manager, I DO NOT CARE.

The point is to have ALL FUNCTIONS from both Ovi Store and App Manager under ONE ROOF. One simple, extremely well organized App manager that is able to handle downloads, uninstalls and software updates. All under one icon.

There is absolutely no reason of having two application managers in one device. Not a single logical reason. NONE

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

i think what your looking for is called an iphone. i think choice is awesome.

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I think it would be interesting if Ovi just sells (digital) licenses to unlock premium apps and all the apps are distributed through app manager.

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

The problem is the app manager basically runs of repositories and ALL the apps are FREE. Thus merging them is probably not a good idea.

However making it LOOK like they are merged would probably be better, so enhancing the app manager so that normal apps install no problem - BUT the paid apps are pulled from the Nokia OVI store and also shown there.

However this also presents problems, because I think the app manager is open source and as such could be easily circumvented to install apps free, this may also be the same with having each application have a license key.

It's not as easy as you make it sound - there are many things to be considered before Nokia proceeds.

For the time being it works fine - so stop complaining and let the Nokia developers do their work, stop pestering them, software development takes time. THis is the umpteenth thread from noobs saying I wish Nokia did this or that - Nokia will make this N900 better than the N97, it's just going to take time. Just enjoy it - within 10 days of asking for a feature some developer will start making creating it! I've had my N95 8GB for 2 years+ and I've not seen an app that can disable the red LED while recording, last week someone requested this and this week I'm using using it, the N900 can do things all other phones can only dream of! (although I miss MMS, video calling and a proper GPS app - but there is no way on this earth Nokia will not implement those features, it's all about time)

There is a fine line between having the N900 user friendly for the average joe with an IQ of 10 can use, and the developers who use it.

Stop complaining and see how much better the N900 is than ANY other phone!

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I personally would be already happy to even see a properly working OVI Store first. :rolleyes:

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

You must take into account the interests of ALL stakeholders, not just your own. Commercial app developers (and thus Ovi itself) will NOT be happy if they get competition from Free apps. You might not care, but they do. At the same time Free app developers need Ovi like a fish needs a bicycle - you expect people to pay 50E per year, give up donations and accept restrictive licenses and liability just to be able to do what they are doing now ? So, what's your plan to overcome this fire/water divide ?

EDIT: spelling

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I like the simplicity of the App Manager - the idea of merging it into an OVI-based program makes me shudder (blech!).

I think the App Manager is perfectly fine the way it is.

However, what could be done is to create a new application that can merge the two "systems" together. You would only need to use a single application to view OVI and "free" content - that's fine. Nokia can market that anyway they like.

But leave the existing App Manager well alone - this is a fundemental building block.

Ubuntu seems to do well with two installer apps. There is an application on the main menu that allows you to install softrware.
The other installer is "synaptic" and this is buried in the "Administration" menu.

You can have one "user-visible" application manager that encompasses everything the other installer can be "hidden" away further in the ui.

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I agree. Having two separate channels in not bad. OVI Store for commercial apps (and for those who cannot be bothered to find out what options are available) and maemo.org for community apps (and for those who actually know what "community" means).

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

I think you are out of subject... Please read the previous postings before you reply. Plus I just hate when people compare anything and everything to icrap eemmmm sorry iPhone... :mad:

Yea right?!! lool

You are right but again out of subject.

Here we go again. Nothing has to chance. Current repositories will stay as it is everything will stay as it is. So no license issues or hosting fees will be a problem. Second I do not get your point of competition? What is the problem if multiple apps free and not are available in the same place? This is the beauty of the App Stores. The users are smart enough to decide if a free app is great or not and if a paid app is worth the money. If you are a developer and you offer a paid App, Nokia will get its cut. If your app is free then you can add it either from Ovi's channel or Maemo's Extras repository.

I love App manager too but at its current stage lacks even basic functions. I do not want to deeply going into it right now I will only state that three updates after the originalN900 firmware and the App Manager doesn't even have the option to list new apps, or top downloads. Currently the only way to find out whats new for Maemo 5 is to visit http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ and then go download it from your phone. I am sure you agree is not that practical...

Re: Ovi Store and App Manager must be merge
 

You're still thinking with a user head :) If you're a developer and you offer a paid app, you do NOT want a Free app with an identical purpose listed at the same place. In your scenario (if Extras keeps it's repository) it's the commercial vendors who draw the short straw - they have to pay through the nose and deal with the wreckage Ovi is, just to be listed next to an app offered for free and pray that it's bad enough so that users come back and buy their app. And as for Nokia (the Ovi division, to be more precise), it's the same problem. They are not getting any money if you DO choose the Free alternative. That's why Apple simply says 'you can be free to the users but not to US', and that's why there is so few Free apps there (compared to commercial ones).

And that is exactly why I created Appwatch.