Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

... not to mention that my entry-level 6021 Nokia phone syncs with Outlook just as well as any PDA I've seen, so it's not like they don't know how, either :-)

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

Nokia (and most engineering companies these days) develops everything with a global effort. It is likely the guys who wrote the SW for your 6021 aren't even in the same part of the world as those who write for the N800 - and even if they were in the same building, it's a completely different software platform. Even if someone in the company can get a phone to sync to Outlook means nothing for the N800.

Now that I've had my moment of griping, I do hope they include a good PIM and syncing at some point.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

@ $400 a pop and the Nokia name you would expect something like this...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.en.../02/05_e90.jpg

... or at the very least more than a calculator, clock, notes, PDF reader, and a sketch app.

If it wasn't for the the community developed apps like Maemo Mapper and Canola the thing would be useless to all but the developers who got it @ $99.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of faith in the community and have benefited from collaborative efforts in the past that I was involved with... I mean that's why I'm in.

However, with the number of apps developed for the e90 in house, you would think Nokia could throw a bone or two our way.
I'm sure if someone here developed an app that was "killer" for the N800... It would find its way on to one of Nokia's commercial devices.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

The E90 is a Symbian, not a Linux device. It runs S60 on top of the Symbian O/S, a platform for which a vast number of applications already exists. Also to be taken into account is the (sad?) fact that there is no significant Open Source community for that platform, plus its backwards compatibility can often be measured in months.

In short, there isn't much of a bone to throw from the Symbian division to the Linux dudes. They don't, in fact, even like each others' bones.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

I'm in complete agreement with YoDude.
Though way out of my depth, I'm pretty certain that what we all want can be accomplished with offline cached content compliant with WHATWG.org in a browser that supports it: see
http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/02...h-firefox.html
I suppose Opera or Nokia might even be able to sell a subscription to something akin. I thought kiko.com was heading in this direction, but angels pulled the plug.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

It has all those things out of the box. Under utilities.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

So playing Devil's advocate here, if you synch to your PIM to your phone, why do you need to synch to your N800?

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

From Nokia's perspective, they are pushing their latest eseries phones which events of the last few weeks publicly show they see as PDA/phone convergence devices. They have also pushed the internet tablet into the N series. What the OP appears to overlook is the possibility of a convergence of PDA/phone. You don't need a 4+ inch WVGA screen for PIM so it is your web browsing/multimedia device. Why duplicate the PIM on the N800 when you can just tether the N800 to the PIM on the eseries. This is what both Ari Jaaksi and the Enterprise solutions folks at Nokia see as the way to proceed. Whether we like it or not, it should now be clear that Nokia is not going to develop a PIM for the internet tablet.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

That would be very nice, but we (well, "I" obviously, and maybe a few others) still would like a way to access, edit and synch our PIM on the IT, seeing as it has the better screen and (marginally) better text entry. And when I say "our PIM", the implication is that not everybody has or wants to have a Nokia phone, so if that's Nokia's vision, they can blooming well come up with a way to link the IT to any phone's PIM in existence, or they stand to lose a lot of street cred with the Open Source crowd. The sort of vendor tie-in that you imply is not frownlessly looked upon in the Linuxverse.

Re: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed
 

What he^ said...

This convergence is a natural IMHO. I accept the fact that I need to carry a large screen data device 50% of the time and a smaller personal communication device (phone) 100% of the time.
The phone could loose all the power robbing "smart" apps that are downright silly to edit on a 2 or even 3 inch, non touch screen. It should provide the data connection though, and the only smarts it needs is managing that connection among devices and providing viewers for the synced apps.

However, the data device must support all phones that are capable of this or the manufacturer at least should have an active interest in doing so.

If not, as I think Karel sort of said... Nokia would be looked upon as steering this open source device toward a vendor specific convergence...

That would be the kind of thinking I would expect out of Redmond; not from the company that sold me on this thing (N800).

I bought it for its potential and because it was Nokia, not an unheard of start-up, or a company that has already tried steering me down many a bumpy road.