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Texrat 2010-08-20 15:45

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 793116)
Thread closures are of interest to everyone who was involved in reading or posting to a given thread. Therefore, communcations about them are more appropriately handled by public messages than private interchanges thru Report Post. Also, policy about closing threads should be a matter of shared principles, not the whim of some individual moderator. Closing a thread is a fairly dramatic way of making people shut up and should not be done lightly.

I sympathize with your last statement.

But how many threads on thread closure do we need? This wasn't the first.

YoDude 2010-08-20 22:04

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 793100)
Err.. I'm not completly sure that's true...

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...While I believe that may have been true in the past. I think anyone who's actually interested in testing Meego or helping out with the project would be on Meego forums, IRC, mailing lists. Not on these forums anymore.

And if that is the case then we should shut out the lights now. :eek:

However, I do not believe this to be the case.

I have always believed that engaged users willing to provide real time feedback is the value of this forum. It still can be.

The N900 may be a MeeGo reference device but it is not a MeeGo device by design.
The majority of maemo.org forum users now may not be so inclined to become involved in the proper QA process that MeeGo deserves. If history is a guide, most do not value or could care less about mailing lists and IRC.

I am also not sure at this point if meego.com/community is ready for, was designed for, or could even begin to cater to the needs of the many engaged users of the N900.

However, when I see Sygic, SPB, and Instinctive getting their toes wet in this forum I have to think that this is where the value in this forum lies.

A user group if you will, that can help facilitate 3rd party, QT app development for use on future MeeGo and Symbian devices. The benefits to an N900 owner are obvious and the benefits for Nokia are equally so.

Regarding when the lights go out:
The first thing I would think is obvious would be to find out how long Nokia plans to underwrite maemo.org and perhaps also develop a compelling reason why they should.

Regarding arguments over ancillary semantics that conveniently avoid the question:
From my past experience on these boards, I too have learned to wear different hats. Right now I'm wearing a snappy looking Pork Pie number that I like to call my "whatever dude" hat. :p

fnordianslip 2010-08-20 22:11

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 793513)
A user group if you will, that can help facilitate 3rd party, QT app development for use on future MeeGo and Symbian devices.

I'd be happier if we left out the Symbian bit and stuck with Linux though. That's what this is all about really.

YoDude 2010-08-20 22:18

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by fnordianslip (Post 793516)
I'd be happier if we left out the Symbian bit and stuck with Linux though. That's what this is all about really.

However, the value to Nokia may be QT application development.

cferrism 2010-08-20 23:14

Re: Closing Threads
 
to throw my tuppence in, rightly or wrongly i have never seen this place as an os specific website despite the obviouse web address but a community of other n900, n8x owners who have gone through the same pains, pleasures and life cycle as i....many more so, and i draw on there experience and thankfully many are happy to oblige

I see the recent fragmentation as a bad thing (at least for those device specific followers) and there has been a definite weighing to the side of the end is nigh even in the last week as many of the "heavywights" move on to other sites. i think the hey day of the community we once knew will soon be over as we all try to hunt for other sites full of noob n9 owners asking the same questions weve read a hundred times before and us n900 owners will be drowned out in the noise.

I would also say that the alternative os section is not just a place for us but for people like djsteve and the guys to draw on other people like mohammadag who are working to similar goals with other os's and i have seen evidence of this of this in the thread. Again by moving on they are reducing the chance of people with similar problems helping them find a solution.

i have had 2 bottles of wine and typing this in bed so forgive any grammatical or punctuation errors you happen to see :-)

cferrism 2010-08-20 23:42

Re: Closing Threads
 
and just to tie up the relevance to the OP and to take us full circle, I think this increase in the end is nigh mentality where every "wer'e all doomed" post gets 3000 replies that ends in a ***** fest with no sign of abating brought on partially by this fragmentation rather than a centralised resource are the reason we are seeing an increase in closure of threads

Texrat 2010-08-20 23:58

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 793513)
Regarding arguments over ancillary semantics that conveniently avoid the question:
From my past experience on these boards, I too have learned to wear different hats. Right now I'm wearing a snappy looking Pork Pie number that I like to call my "whatever dude" hat. :p

Guess I'm wearing the same hat, seeing as how the question was directly answered and no semantics were harmed in the typing of any posts.

geneven 2010-08-21 00:36

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 793151)
I sympathize with your last statement.

But how many threads on thread closure do we need? This wasn't the first.

Well, this seemed to me worth discussing because it was a different KIND of thread closure. This wasn't a "come on guys, this is getting out of hand. I'm closing this thread!" kind of closure.

This was "for the convenience of this developer, we're closing all the threads on this topic" kind of closure. In other words, the users had not committed an offense of any kind, they were being kept from making further comments here because it suited some particular person's goal.

I long ago decided that the consistent principle at this site (and probably most others) is, "we, the powers that be, will do whatever we damn well feel like doing," and this showed that principle at work. I personally felt that in even questioning this closure, I was asking something that was "none of my business"! In other words, I should have accepted the fact that I was effectively barred from discussing something previously ok and should have just assumed that the moderator knew best.

I thought this was an interesting kind of reasoning.

Personally, I think the developers of Nitdroid are heroes, as are many developers here. But I don't think that mere users should allow themselves to be herded from here to there, mooing happily.

That's what happened when the ITT site was hijacked by the Maemo crowd (and note the fact that it is owned by the Maemo crowd was used as a rationale for removing the Nitdroid topic to another site), and what happened here seemed similar to me.

But, I won't be raising this issue again, I was just asking.

Laughing Man 2010-08-21 00:43

Re: Closing Threads
 
While I don't think the thread should've been closed. It is kinda pointless to have a thread floating around if the developers working on the project aren't going be paying attention to it. I know we have a few people capable of answering questions about NITDroid that are active on the maemo.org forums, but it would eventually just turn into a full on repeating the same question over and over and over thread. And give the impression that the developers don't care or aren't active when in reality they just aren't focusing on that thread anymore.

Texrat 2010-08-21 01:32

Re: Closing Threads
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 793600)
I long ago decided that the consistent principle at this site (and probably most others) is, "we, the powers that be, will do whatever we damn well feel like doing," and this showed that principle at work.

For the life of me I can't understand how anyone would come to that conclusion about this place.

If anything, it's closer to the polar opposite.


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