maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   MeeGo / Harmattan (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45)
-   -   MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66939)

uhbhatti88 2010-12-13 09:42

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895679)
Just saw Marko's video talking about MeeGo on Leweb.

It seems that Nokia will use a new inform system.

But I do not think it can save Nokia on high-end smartphone market.
...
What is Nokia doing now ?

This thread should be moved to "Whiners" sub-forum and merged with the "All the other whiners" thread

This recent bit of news said that "Over 2010, there have been more than 1.5 million downloads of the Qt SDK and more than 400,000 new developers have signed up with Forum Nokia over the last year."

If even 1% of those devs put out a halfdecent app... well, I'm looking forward to it...

onethreealpha 2010-12-13 10:14

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Dude works for google
just trying to drum up business for the boss :)

Sony Ericsson sold out to Google. They've lost their individuality and succumbed to the "clone-ification" of the "smart" phone market.
They lost control over the OS that runs on their phones and they way in which it handles their customers' information and their won capacity to independently update their devices without the OK form Big Brother.

yep go Android. that'll really make you stand out in the crowd

or perhaps you work for Huawei?
they have an interest in Google/android.... amongst other things

lanwellon 2010-12-13 10:27

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 895733)
And it's never too late for anything..

Android does suck because of how it works.. VM environment..

There.. I answered you.

Are you quoting Nokia's data zbout ovi store?

Besides, to use VM is a very wise idea.

Just like Nokia use Qt to let more apps run on MeeGo & Symbian.

By using Dalvik Java VM, it become easier for app development.

Android then get a big bang of apps.

Actually, Nokia is noe doing exactly the same thing,

but the tool is not VM, but Qt.

So, Android using Dalvik is a wise decision to get apps quickly.

And for Apps need more resource/efficiency, developers can use C to develpe the app directly, the efficiency is higher than Java.

tissot 2010-12-13 10:59

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Funny thread. :D

Honestly though why would you want Nokia to go for Android? HTC, SE, Samsung, LG and cheapo brands are already there. Plus it's no free pass to success just look at Moto who started well but i don't see them ever coming back as big as before with Android, same for LG. The high end Android market is controlled by HTC and Samsung pretty much.

Just as a consumer i rather see Nokia to bring it's own new OS as they still got the weight for it and while Android might ok for quick return MeeGo potential for Nokia is much much bigger. Android on my GS is by no means bad but still not what i want. Somehow i think i'm talking to a wall or a bot reading your comments though...

rash.m2k 2010-12-13 11:04

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895772)
Are you quoting Nokia's data zbout ovi store?

Besides, to use VM is a very wise idea.

Just like Nokia use Qt to let more apps run on MeeGo & Symbian.

By using Dalvik Java VM, it become easier for app development.

Android then get a big bang of apps.

Actually, Nokia is noe doing exactly the same thing,

but the tool is not VM, but Qt.

So, Android using Dalvik is a wise decision to get apps quickly.

And for Apps need more resource/efficiency, developers can use C to develpe the app directly, the efficiency is higher than Java.

That pretty much sums it up! The new Qt framework will mean better games - with better graphics!

And stupidly easy to port from/to Sybmian/Maemo.

In addition Meego is not just a UI - it's a whole new OS.

lanwellon 2010-12-13 11:26

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 895794)
That pretty much sums it up! The new Qt framework will mean better games - with better graphics!

And stupidly easy to port from/to Sybmian/Maemo.

In addition Meego is not just a UI - it's a whole new OS.

The problem is :

Nokia is 2 years behind Android.

lanwellon 2010-12-13 11:30

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 895766)
Dude works for google
just trying to drum up business for the boss :)

Sony Ericsson sold out to Google. They've lost their individuality and succumbed to the "clone-ification" of the "smart" phone market.
They lost control over the OS that runs on their phones and they way in which it handles their customers' information and their won capacity to independently update their devices without the OK form Big Brother.

yep go Android. that'll really make you stand out in the crowd

or perhaps you work for Huawei?
they have an interest in Google/android.... amongst other things

It does not matter where I works.

Actually, I worked in food industry, making meat products for eating.

Watching IT news is my hobby and I am using a Nokia N900 now.

Before N900, I used N95 and 5310XM.

So, I am a Nokia fan. But that does not mean I will not point out the mistakes of Nokia.

About the topic, Sony Ericssion use Symbian UIQ and S60 v5 for their smartphone OS, the difference is SE is a share holder of Symbian foundation. And now SE is not a share holder of Android. Google is the boss.

kureyon 2010-12-13 11:50

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 895697)
The problem with that logic is that even if Nokia does drop it, it won't matter. There's still the Linux Foundation, Intel, and every other large scale adopter. Even if Nokia never put out another MeeGo product again, everyone else still probably will.

That would depend on the nature of the adopters. Much of the development of linux is funded by companies with a stake in linux, and not by voluntary hairy hackers living in their parents' basement [1][2]. If Nokia drops Meego and instead promotes their next fad - Megone (TM) - would there be anyone to pickup the pieces? And no, Intel doesn't count since you don't want to carry a 2kg battery with your 100gm "Intel powered" phone.

[1] An overused stereotype but fun
[2] I appreciate and value the contributions of voluntary hackers (hairy or otherwise)

fms 2010-12-13 12:16

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895711)
Why not ? Nokia should do the exactly what Motorola is doing now ! Go Android !

You should go and buy an Android smartphone from your nearest local manufacturer, and then become happy, balanced Android user. Not sure what you are doing here, given that it is pretty clear that Meego is not Android.

attila77 2010-12-13 12:17

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895679)
It is the developers and apps that really matters.
Apple has got the most support from developers and have many great apps.
What is Nokia doing now ?

There has been a definite shift in that direction, in fact, the whole point of the Qt SDK and the recent/ongoing retooling for Qt Quick is to make a solid, appealing base for developers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895722)
Just discussing the problem,
I think NOKIA should keep developing the Maemo 6
but not change the package manage system to please Intel
Intel did not change the package manage system on their tablet.
it is a waste of time and time is the key in the smartphone market.
When N9 released, all is too late !

Err, it's exactly as you say - Nokia kept developing Maemo 6 and did not change the package management system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 895814)
The problem is :
Nokia is 2 years behind Android.

Android was very much in it's infancy 2 years ago. But it undoubtedly is all the rage today. And that's why MeeGo will try to leapfrog it :)


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:10.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8