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Re: Winners and losers

Nokia's disgruntled employees are being offered jobs by Google and Skype:

http://www.gearlog.com/2011/02/nokia...k_out_by_t.php

http://www.gearlog.com/2011/02/skype..._nokia_emp.php

Re: Winners and losers

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Motorola Shuts Door On Windows Phone 7

“I don’t envision us using Microsoft. I would never say never but it’s not something we’re entertaining now,” said Wyatt. The company proudly boasts of being 100% committed to Android and believes that Microsoft’s “closed” OS prevents them from “creating unique value”.

http://www.everythingwm.com/motorola...-7/2011/02/15/

Re: Winners and losers

Talk about losers! This from Engadget's interpretation of a Phone Scoop interview with Nokia VP Savander:

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Turns out (or at least Savander claims) that Nokia's essentially being granted carte blanche for deep customization of the platform, though it's likely only to do that by pushing changes back to Microsoft for inclusion in future releases that would be available to every manufacturer, not just Nokia.

So Nokia is free to do R&D that it then gives to Microsoft, which, of course, would have absolute discretion about including it, and which is then on every manufacturer's Windows phone.

I think the Engadget interpretation may be off the mark (maybe Nokia gets to put stuff on top of Windows Phone, unlike other licensees?), but if it's accurate ...

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Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 949129)

Talk about losers! This from Engadget's interpretation of a Phone Scoop interview with Nokia VP Savander:

So Nokia is free to do R&D that it then gives to Microsoft, which, of course, would have absolute discretion about including it, and which is then on every manufacturer's Windows phone.

I think the Engadget interpretation may be off the mark (maybe Nokia gets to put stuff on top of Windows Phone, unlike other licensees?), but if it's accurate ...

That is the way it sounds. This link below is a long article written by a Windows lover. I thought it was interesting to read his perspective. As to what you bring up, this is what his article says:

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Ballmer said that Nokia will work with Microsoft to "push hardware advances" that will apply to new versions of the base Windows Phone platform spec. But Nokia will also do its own unique hardware advances--and software services--that will help the company differentiate its products from competitors (which are other Microsoft partners). So this isn't like open source. Not everything Nokia does is being driven into the core platform. Nokia-based Windows Phones will instead be a superset of the basic Windows Phone experience. This is true of all phone makers, it's just that Nokia is all channeling some changes back into the core product too.

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-Alliance.aspx

The assimilation is now complete. :eek:

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I am starting to get fed up with this nonsense.

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Samsung must be celebrating hard right now, it is obvious now that they will become the largest Handset maker in the world and dethrone Nokia, because the transition that is taking place from Symbian to WP7 will simply take too long for Nokia to respond.

What planet is this dude living on?

Nokia going WP is hardly mentioned in the news outside the bubbles of the tech media involved in mobile phones. 95% of the current Nokia owners don't care and don't know. Of the 5% that do now, only 5% care.

In less than a year, all the 3-400 millions of Symbian owners (Nokia smartphone owners) will see a better UI on the new Nokia phones. A UI that is smooth, and with services that are equally smoothly integrated. Does it run WP? of course it does. Do the 95% of the current Symbian users care? No. WP, Symbian, MeeGo, Android, it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949154)

In less than a year, all the 3-400 millions of Symbian owners (Nokia smartphone owners) will see a better UI on the new Nokia phones.

Correction: Symbian phones are not "smart phones" they are "mobile phones". Elop himself categorizes them that way. The only Nokia smart phone owners at the moment are running Maemo. And you know what they are NOT going to be running in a year, two years, or more likely, ever.

Correction to the correction:

Actually, I am not sure that I understood correctly. Maybe he was just referring to the S40 phones as "mobile phones". See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pHR...mbedded#at=256

In any case, I think that people who are looking for smart phones do care about what the OS on their phone is.

Re: Winners and losers

Glyn Moody's Open Enterprise Blog / Computerworld UK

Nokiasoft: Who are the Open Source Winners and Losers?

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Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 949017)

Fine. But how do you explain the tiny outsourced UI team?

Good question. Apparently have been working on a UI, but for some reason they decided to scrap it and go for something different. Why use an out-sourced team? I haven't a clue, it could be just a rumour, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

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Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 949158)

In any case, I think that people who are looking for smart phones do care about what the OS on their phone is.

No, most people have no clue and no idea and no desire to know. Smartphones aren't what they used to be. Smartphones used to be Symbian, windows mobile and palm, but most of all Symbian. A small percentage, mostly geeks used them, less than 10 percent of all phones. Today 25 percent are smartphones, and that percentage is groing fast. Smartphones today are glorified dumbphones with large touch screens running apps. People want "one with touch screen and apps". Then they know Nokia, Samsung, SE, iPhone, HTC and so on. You have to remember that all Android phones give users a unique user experience, Samsung is different from HTC and so on, but every smartphone runs Angry Birds (Symbian, iPhone and Android).

Also remember what happened to the google phone, DOA, people didn,t like it even though it was high end specs and "pure" Android, they would much rather have HTC and Samsung.