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jo21 2011-07-13 09:14

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1049394)
ROTFL so you think Elopp cares if some geeks leaves Nokia?

ELOP DOESNT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE - KANJE WEST.

anyway, it not like elop really cares about nokia, he just wants his wp7 phone devices out to be carried by nokia brand.


all other brands COMBINED sales were just 1.6m Q1 sales for wp7.

even after sharing monumental 500m marketing with the xbox and kinect.

birdy 2011-07-13 12:37

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by Silvarum (Post 1049595)
2. What did you expect in thread like this? Especially when it belongs in Off Topic, not in General.

i expected that the disinterested wouldnt open the thread and that those interested would. i didnt expect that the disinterested would open it, feel personally insulted and then reply to something they dont care about.

heinious to post in general and not off topic though!

;-)

vi_ 2011-07-13 12:41

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by birdy (Post 1050115)
i expected that the disinterested wouldnt open the thread and that those interested would. i didnt expect that the disinterested would open it, feel personally insulted and then reply to something they dont care about.

heinious to post in general and not off topic though!

;-)

And I would expect that someone who has not been subjected to these threads before to react in this way.

You are forgiven my son.

daperl 2011-07-13 13:55

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1050005)
didn't you forget something?
Flop said that MeeGo is a dead avenue, partly also by lack of third party software.
i don't think he cares about Maemo / MeeGo anymore.
or ever did, for that matter :mad:

And that's generally how we like it around here, "Just give us our hardware and leave us alone." I didn't come here for the "ecosystem"; I mostly came here for the free exchange of software ideas after Nokia supplied us with good hardware and a good OS. But as many like to point out, that doesn't seem good enough to run a company on. Quite frankly, I look at my n900 every day, and I still can't believe it exists.

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but your commitment may help NOKIA's return to it, indeed :)
I am committed, but sadly I'm just another mercenary FOSS guy; it takes a village.

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PS: how is it going w/ the N950? ;)
As far as I know, no one in the U.S. has received theirs yet, me included. But they've been trickling in elsewhere.

misterc 2011-07-13 14:40

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050151)
And that's generally how we like it around here, "Just give us our hardware and leave us alone." I didn't come here for the "ecosystem"; I mostly came here for the free exchange of software ideas after Nokia supplied us with good hardware and a good OS. But as many like to point out, that doesn't seem good enough to run a company on. Quite frankly, I look at my n900 every day, and I still can't believe it exists.

got a 2nd one, just to be sure ¦-)

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050151)
I am committed, but sadly I'm just another mercenary FOSS guy; it takes a village.

started to ponder using one as a test device for a couple developments for Fremantle, but a tad too busy with other things right now to download the dev environment & start w/ that...

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050151)
As far as I know, no one in the U.S. has received theirs yet, me included. But they've been trickling in elsewhere.

zehjotkah already gotten his, but he is in Germany, indeed...

daperl 2011-07-13 15:36

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1050195)
got a 2nd one, just to be sure ¦-)

Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.

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started to ponder using one as a test device for a couple developments for Fremantle, but a tad too busy with other things right now to download the dev environment & start w/ that...
Click on the link in my signature, and like the force, the SDK will be with you. Always. And I still do plenty of prototyping in Python. Except for some very minor Hildon issues, the Qt Python bindings are better than the Gtk ones, IMO.

And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan... :eek:

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zehjotkah already gotten his, but he is in Germany, indeed...
And that's his 2nd one, I think. But here's a promising quote:

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Originally Posted by fcrochik
I sent an email to DDP yesterday and just got a reply saying that they would ship "by tomorrow".... BTW, I am is US and have ordered on the 8th.


vi_ 2011-07-13 15:45

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050239)
Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.



Click on the link in my signature, and like the force, the SDK will be with you. Always. And I still do plenty of prototyping in Python. Except for some very minor Hildon issues, the Qt Python bindings are better than the Gtk ones, IMO.

And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan... :eek:



And that's his 2nd one, I think. But here's a promising quote:

This is fantastic! Now that there is an elite few who actually possess an N950, they can spend their time porting and hacking software onto it without having to worry about it being run by pesky ignorant users!

daperl 2011-07-13 15:52

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1050245)
This is fantastic! Now that there is an elite few who actually possess an N950, they can spend their time porting and hacking software onto it without having to worry about it being run by pesky ignorant users!

See, dreams can come true. I think I'll open a bottle of champagne tonight.

Drekkie 2011-07-13 16:20

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1049616)
Moreover, a geek would (and should!) also take into account how much tweaking and maintenance would the phone need to satisfy the user.

This has direct impact on how much work the geek will have to do for the user, the user's dependency on the geek, and the overall satisfaction of said end user.

Unless the geek has ulterior motives (ahem), or is somewhat ignorant (ahum), I think most geeks will think twice before recommending the n900 to an unsuspecting Joe Public.

I've read numerous accounts where experienced users here have recommended other types of smartphones to their 'follower' due to the reasons stated above.

Or if the geek cherishes the precious geek smugness of understanding a complex device that simple Joe Public cannot/will not, above all else.

It's always laughable when people imply that something cannot be simple in order to be satisfactory to geeks, or has to be mutually exclusive from a phone that is easy to use and intuitive for Joe Public. I don't see why geeks would not want something that is both easy to use for as many people as possible, while also allowing them to do their geek things as they see fit, aside from maintaining geek street cred.

Of course options that accomplish both seem few and far between, so I get that. Seems like the N9 was going in the right direction but for all the usability excitement, I've seen the geek criticisms of what it lacks for them.

Not aimed at anyone in particular in this thread, but holding high the "it's too complex for you to understand, noob" achievement is a concept that continues to amuse me, and probably self-defeating in the long run if we're talking about consumers of any kind.

misterc 2011-07-13 20:23

Re: bye bye my sweet sweet N900
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050239)
Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.

when you do gather your courage, le'me know; btdt :p
in case you can't get the part any more, i have a spare one ;)

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050239)
Click on the link in my signature, and like the force, the SDK will be with you. Always. And I still do plenty of prototyping in Python. Except for some very minor Hildon issues, the Qt Python bindings are better than the Gtk ones, IMO.

being a KDE fan boy of old (still running KDE 3.5.10 / Trinity port on openSUSE 11.3) i'd rather compile Qt stuff from source then use Gtk stuff :D

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1050239)
And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan... :eek:[...]

already had MAD Developer installed once, but left if out when i did a "clean" install a few weeks ago; guess i'll give it another try on the 2nd device & see how some Qt source code compiles :rolleyes:


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