Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

I'm just giving back the honour:

You are a PITA in community threads <- quote by win7mac, right back at you, is it offensive suddenly? Whoa

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=103

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

@szopin,

Please relax a bit. I admit I've never used twitter and I don't really know what crackpot-hole reddit is or was.

But FFS knowing the name of somebody doesn't mean anything. I could take the damn phonebook (yes we still have those) and call the police and accuse "Markus Müller" (or whatever common names the Germans have) of anything. The one ending up with a problem would me be for speading false accusations.

I don't know (and I honestly don't want to know) if US police ("SWAT") are actually that dumb to go after anyone because "somebody in twitter said this or that". If it's so, then THEY have a problem, but I don't want to be anonymous because some dumbasses don't like it. I call that terrorism, in the actual sense of the word.

It pains me to say this, but you are really becoming a PITA around here. If you have a problem with TMO and/or the Maemo community then by all means take a break and come back when you're OK.

The world is full of organizations and communities with no anonimity of any kind (it's usually not allowed, not even in Facebook for fvck's sake!). And we're still here alive and kicking.
I submit that Twitter and whatever obscure communities you seem to follow are not representative of the real world.

But hey, it's just an (my) opinion.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

From wikipedia:
Swatting is the act of tricking an emergency service (via such means as hoaxing an emergency services dispatcher) into dispatching an emergency response based on the false report of an ongoing critical incident. The term derives from SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics), a highly specialized type of police unit in the United States carrying equipment such as door breaching equipment and powerful firearms.

Swatting has been associated with online harassment campaigns, and episodes range from large to small — from the deployment of bomb squads, SWAT units and other police units and the concurrent evacuations of schools and businesses, to a single fabricated police report meant to discredit an individual as a prank or personal vendetta.[1]

The action of swatting-linked to the action of doxxing (obtaining the address and details of an individual)-has been described as terrorism due to its potential to cause disruption, waste the time of emergency services, divert attention from real emergencies and possibly cause injuries to persons targeted.[2][3] The act of making false reports to emergency services is punishable by prison sentences in the U.S. and a crime in many other countries.[4]


While possibly not lethal in europe, in the US with militarized police forces it is actually quite dangerous, so yeah, glad you had no experiences of that, but it is happening with the latest 'activisms'

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

it happens to a lot of people that generally stream online.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Exactly! The US government and media may use a warped definition of the word but this is the real meaning:

The tactics employed by the lady mentioned in szopin's post #12 or the millitant feminists' attacks on Nobel Prize laureates fit that definition perfectly.

The Only Right Way™ to deal with that is to stand up to it face-on and call it what it is, not cowardly hide behind the cloak of anonymity. That makes you no better than them.

Oh and yes, my real name is no secret. It is easy to find using only the information available on this website.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Good luck, hopefully your boss doesn't mind a flurry of emails accusing you of being rape apologist, misogynist, sexist...

http://interviews.slashdot.org/comme...1&cid=50165887

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

If my employer falls for that kind of bullsh¡t then I would be better off with a different employer, don't you think?

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Not going to take that chance (aside from that staying anonymous was a conscious decision long ago, not recent defence tactic as you suggest), just keep in mind that being self employed doesn't protect you, or are you better off without those contracts/clients who don't care about truth but see a lot of shaming and buzzwords thrown around
Freebsd guy lost 2600$ thanks to her:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.advocacy/5417

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

I'm a northern neighbour to the US..
and we see some pretty sketchy stuff happening sometimes down there...
But you fellas across the pond need to put some perspective on things...
I'd suggest asking fellow american maemoans about what happens in their country before fear mongering and twisting things out of context.
Sure they have a militarized police force.
They need it.
When the populace have the "right" to bear arms (originally meant for a non-gov't public militia to be able to rise up against a gov't in power which becomes tyrannical...) it means that when the police go to a house over a ludicrous barking dog complaint...or pull someone over for speeding...there is a very good chance they won't be just shot...but riddled with bullets...and armour-piercing to boot ...if not bloody well blown up or vaporized by some of the weaponry the public are "allowed" to own.
Even here in Canada...at present we are dealing with truly messed up people who are assaulting our law enforcement and killing them.

No person who makes their life's ambition and job.. to keep others safe from physical harm ...deserves to die.. at the hands of nutbars who think it is a god-given right to kill other people.

Even still...we have no room in our canadian society for either the bleeding-heart-liberal- crying injustice nor the hard-bitten-conservative toting an AK ...neither are welcome.

People getting along, working things out, finding solutions ..we have plenty of room for.

Closer to home...here at maemo...
I am a bit concerned...
1stly- yes you have a valid argument szopin ...
in the case of alerting the community to the hazards of becoming the victim of (essentially) predators ...for lack of a better term... and online terrorism.

But you really better hear this part man...
Between the title of this post and "what's wrong with western society" ...well that is really pushing man...and not in the good way.
The content of your argument is fairly sound...
really.

The thing is ...
1- Unless you offer a viable ...realistic solution or alternative which can actually be put into practice and which the community can understand and accept.
or
2- Unless you alert the populace of the community to the dangers (which you did) and then follow through with asking for help from the community in trying to figure out how to safeguard said community and implement it. (which you haven't)

then you are just pissing in the wind buddy.

do you get it?

either ask for help in implementing safeguards...
or offer viable realistic solutions which can be put into practice....
otherwise you are just screaming about a problem.

and that is the core reason why your friends here are starting to call you a pain in the arse.
they aren't malicious in their statement ...
but they are worried.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

I'm all ears buddy, afaik knowing is 100% the battle, so screaming (informing) IS the solution. Take Tim Hunt fiasco for instance, major newspapers with respected journalists (guardian, times, bbc,nyt...) reported on it, took 6 weeks >1000 tweets by Louise Mensch (from The Sun goddamit, how easily dismissed is that based on preconceived notions that it is a rag) to finally get first apology from his accusers:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkro...owed-tim-hunt/

People don't have time to dig through, all you can do is inform, but feel free to offer solutions, if the thread did not seem like an invitation to a discussion, sorry, I'm all ears.