Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Wow,

Excellent app guys. Just went for my first spin with it in the car. Need to play a bit more and figure out how to preload all maps I need etc. (I'm sure it's in the threads somewhere).

Seams a little unstable, but not used it enough to be able to give specifics.

Love the voice guidence. Even my Tomtom Mobile did not have that.

Now for the BUT :)

I really find the directions text/speech confusing. It is based on North up, not direction of travel. I'm assuming this is to do with the way the instructions are supplied to it.

But any options to changes this so you can get direction of travel directions. At the moment, each time it says turn left, I have to think which left.

Again, fantastic work guys.

Thanks,

Zuber

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Just had a look at google maps. No option for manner in which directioss are displayed. So unless there is an alternative server for directions, it don't look too promising...

Would it be possible to parse the string and substitute based on direction of travel or somethng like that ?

i.e. just swap left/right text if direction of travel is beyond a threshold. Not sure how reliably it would work, but already spin map round etc.

Zuber

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Assuming you are using google maps as your repository, the directions come from google maps and are the same directions you would get if you went right to google maps. But google map directions, or any other online mapping location, doesn't provide directions based on North up, so I'm not really sure what you are referring too?

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

sigh. poor repositories.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

So Google Maps provides as you drive directions. Strange...

As I was following the route, there were a couple of occations when it said turn left but actually showed right (correctly).

Will try another trip and see what happens...

Zuber

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

It's pretty easy to confuse right and left with the computer-generated voice. I've noticed that on my Palm with Mapopolis as well as MM. The voice makes them sound very similar, for some reason. Just look at the display, and it also helps to know which way you're going to turn by checking the route in advance. That isn't always possible, I know.

What I'm waiting for on this app is the ability to dynamically reroute after a wrong turn or detour, or just knowing that there is a better route. With that, it would be perfect. Until I get that, I'll keep my old Palm running Mapopolis available. It will take two GPS receivers, but luckily I happen to have two available. :D

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I had the same problem. Here's what worked for me:

First install the fix in the thread:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=13721

under "Here's a simpler way to fix this".

Then in Application Manager do Check for Updates.

Then maemo mapper can be found under "Applications" and will install OK from there.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

whoa, seems like with 2008 Wayfinder and MM can share GPS receiver.
good stuff! thanks everybody.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

now if only it didn't take 20 minutes to lock on to the satellites...

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

well Maemo Mapper doesn't do the locking... your GPS receiver does and your location in space and time.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I know, I'm just complaining about the internal gps on the n810

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Hi,

I'm having a problem with Maemo Mapper 2.2. I get the message "Invalid Nmea data" or something like that, and the getting GPS fix box stays on forever. The GPS data screen shows what appears to be the correct altitude and the number of sats and 3d fix, but he lat and long are way off and the GPS time is also off (probably the GPS time for the lat and long displayed).

The GPS receiver is a Garmin GPS 10, which did work with a previous version of Maemo Mapper, before I upgraded my N800 to OS2008, but I get the same thing in OS2008 and have since downgraded back to OS2007 and still the same probem with V2.2 of maemo mapper. Maemo Mapper is able to find the GPS and insert the MAC address OK.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Just want to report that the Holux M1000 BT GPS module works great with this application. My son gave me the GPS and I spent four or five hours downloading the Eastern US maps. Syncs up very easily and works great. These are about $30 to $50 on Ebay.:)

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I have the same issue. MM works fine, with HOLUX BT1000 GPS. But. if I close MM and try to reopen, nothing happens. I need to shut off/restart N800 for MM to launch properly.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Sebring, your Garmin may be set up for Garmin protocol, not NMEA. You will need to change that on the GPS, somehow. I don't have that model, but every other Garmin I've owned or seen defaults to Garmin protocol, which is useless for anything other than Garmin programs.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I had thought of that, but it has always worked with non-Garmin software before, without needing any tweaking, including an earlier version of Maemo Mapper.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

found a bit of an inconvenience. cant really say its a bug, but it was a bit of a PITA.

download a route, and mark it to "Auto-Update"
do not provide a means for your tablet to Auto-Update, like do not allow the connection to a GPRS phone or WiFi.
drive off course and allow the Auto-Update to start. it gives you a "Host not found" error message with an "OK" button, since the tablet cannot get to the internet.

the error message repeats so quickly that you almost cant do anything but click "OK". i am not sure what should happen in this case, but the app is useless in this scenario, since the error message will cancel the menuing. trying to clear the route took me about 8 tries with very quick tapping in between error messages. if an additional button could be put into that error box allowing you to turn off Auto-Update, you could avoid the error message looping.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Is it possible the protocol got changed somehow? I haven't found much info on the 10, but the manual (mostly covering the Garmin software) does say it can transmit either NMEA or Garmin proprietary. I have no idea how this is switched - the Garmin site is pretty unresponsive, and I finally gave up on it.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I just bought a N800 recently and tried to install Maemo Mapper 2.2 on it but got some problems.

My N800 has the latest OS2007, and it complains the package libgdbm3 and libxau0 are missing when I tried to install the Maemo Mapper. I found the site http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/ and download the two installation files for them.

But when I installed these two(libgdbm3, libxau0), both said it can't find the package from the site.

What's wrong with that repository location, and where can I find these libraries? It's kind of frustrating.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Can anyone help me get the gps detail feature to work?

I've got a Jentro BT-GPS-8 bluetooth gps receiver. It shows my position great with MM, but when I enable "show details", all the details are blank ('-' dashes). For what it's worth, a datasheet on the gps shows that it data logs with "NMEA 0183 Version 3.01 (WGS84)".

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

No idea. Are you positive the GPS has a position lock? Mine shows everything with no problems. If it's sending NMEA data, MM should get it. What happens when you tell MM to go to GPS location? It will continue to show the last location it knows about until you tell it to do something else, if it doesn't have a current position. What do the details show for fix and fix quality? Sats in use?

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Installed the latest version for the N810 and it works great. Found my GPS with no problem. I am however having difficulty finding the dev for flite. I'd love to try the voice announcements.

--Plex

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Thanks to gnuite, John Costigan and the developers.
I got the latest version running on OS2008 on my N800 without any problems. It works great. Connected to my GPSlim236 effortlessly. Downloaded lots of maps of my favorite places. Figured out how to set route points and way points and how to download directions over the Internet. This package puts Wayfinder to shame. It gives me what I need to keep from getting lost, and it's a blast.
Cheers.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

So, did you get flite running on it for voice announcements? If so, how did you get festival lite loaded?

--Plex

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

This is possible with Maemo Mapper, but only if you have an available internet connection. Just enable the "Auto-Update" checkbox in the "Download Route" dialog. When you stray from your route, Maemo Mapper will re-download the route from your new location.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I appreciate your kindness, but that's a bug all right! Thanks for the report; I'll try to fix it soon....

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Sebring, have you been able to resolve anything? I'm having the same problem with my Garmin GPS10. I've noticed that regardless of how the GPS is configured (as far as which NMEA sentences to transmit), after connecting with my 770 it only transmits the GGA and GSA sentences. I can reconfigure it with the Garmin software, connect/disconnect with my PC, and sentences will be normal. On first connect with the tablet, it will send some other sentences (because my GPS fix progress will increase), but then only send GGA and GSA again. It will continue to send only GGA and GSA sentences until I reconfigure it.

It is almost as if MM is sending some config data to the GPS, which I was under the impression that MM transmits nothing. Is there perhaps some way to verify that no information is being transmitted from the tablet to the GPS? I've seen some people discussing /dev/rfcomm0 for received sentences; is there an equivalent for transmissions?

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

John, thanks for the explanation, but I have no internet connection on the road, nor will I have anytime in the foreseeable future. I do understand the limitations of the raster maps, and I'm not really complaining. I would be willing to pay for vector capability, as I already have with Mapopolis, and until it's available I'll probably stay with Mapopolis, because it works, and works well. The maps are getting rather old, but fortunately streets rarely move very far. I can get newer maps on MM, and view them if necessary, even if it's not possible to route off them. BTW, have you given any thought to compiling MM for other Linux distros? I have an Asus Eee that works very well in the car, and having MM on that would be very nice. It comes with Xandros, a Debian fork, and .deb files install easily. Just in case you have nothing better to do... :D

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Hi,

No I haven't been able to get either MM or Map to use my GPS10. What is strange though is if I pair my GPS10 with the N800 and neither map program is running, I can display my location with the GPS Icon in Control Panel, so the N800 does read the GPS10, just neither of the map programs do. They do, however, triger the GPS icon in the task bar at the top. I'm starting to believe it's a bug in how GPS data is transmitted to the applications.

Also, I can't seem to change the configuration of my GPS10 with the Garmin snsr config app. It acts like the new configuration is being uploaded to the GPS10, but if I retreive the configuraton from the GPS10, it is the same as it was before uploading the new config. The GPS10 does work with non-Garmin apps on other devices, just not the N800. Also , the GPS10 did work with an earlier version of MM under OS2007, it seems between the upgrade to OS2008 and MM, something has broken, because it no longer works with MM if I downgrade to OS2007. I even tried reinstalling older versions of MM.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Is it possible to use MM WITHOUT GPS simply as an offline map? What I'd like to do is to download enough maps to cover NY,CT,RI and MA and just use a device as a road atlas offline. Is it possible? I cannot figure out a way to get area maps without specifying longitude/ latitude.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Yes to all.
Click the 'help' function in MM. I did that when I wanted to figure out how to download maps in advance. That was in 1.4, I don't know if it changed in 2.x.. but IIRC I just had to click a couple of places in the display and it downloaded everything in between or some such.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Yep, you need to center two area corners and then go to Area tab of Maps setup. I tried to download maps for an area between NYC and Boston with Zoom level 0 and it gave me estimation of gazillion Mb's :) I don't think my SD will approve it. Honestly, I think its a glitch. But I've got an idea. Any thoughts on how much space would take detailed map for CT, NYC and MA?

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

By your description, I think your belief is correct that "it's a bug in how GPS data is transmitted to the applications." It sounds like the GPSD server (which is responsible for collecting data from the receiver and distributing it to registered listeners) is having trouble getting the data from your receiver.

Older version of Maemo Mapper (prior to v2.1) allowed you to interface directly with a bluetooth receiver (bypassing GPSD), because GPSD was not common to the 770 and N800. The problem with this is that only one application can directly access a bluetooth receiver at once.

Since v2.1, Maemo Mapper uses the new libgpsmgr framework, which uses GPSD exclusively, allowing other applications (like the built-in map application) to share the GPS data with Maemo Mapper.

Try using Maemo Mapper v2.0.5 and making sure that the "gpsd" program is not running in the background. (You can use "ps | grep gpsd" from the command line to check if it's running.) I think you have to disable all the GPS stuff in OS2008's control panel in order for gpsd to be disabled.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Now for a completely different question... I have only seen reference to it in the "Plans for Maemo Mapper v2.0" thread.

Is there a utility to "convert" a file system cache from the old version to the new database cache format? Or, is there a program like WinMapper available that will build the new DB file?

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

I've got it done already. The new tool will convert the old mm1.x map files into mm2.x file gdbm database on Windows PC. The technique hurdle has been solved in the past a few days. But hey, I need some time to clean up the Windows gdbm routine, it's a mess due to MS C run time problem.

Also I am developing a utility which will extract map tiles from MS IE cache and convert them into mm1.x map tile file structure. Combined with winmapper, you will have the area downloading and browsing downloading capability on PC.

I will release the 2 utilities soon, so keep your mm1.x map files, don't erase them.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Thanks nutter. I will be looking forward to your utils eagerly. I updated mapper to 2.2 but then backed out to 1.4.2 because my maps stopped working.

I may be able to spin out a perl util if I can read the format of GDBM required for maemo mapper.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Am I correct that zoom levels should be one step up/down from the previous one?

Not sure what is going on, but it seems that every other zoom level is LARGE and FUZZY. Could this have to do with double pixel or something else?

Also, anyone figure out how to get the display to show track up or does it only do north up?

Also wondering if I have maps left over from map/wayfinder/whatever it was that might be causing this disparity in step size and fuzziness? Perhaps I should just delete everything to do do with maps and start over?

Thanks for any ideas!

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Thanks for the reply, I believe that version is one of the ones I tried after re-flashing to OS2007 and still got the "invalid NMEA data". The only way I could get older versions installed was to install the latest version and install the older version over it. Otherwise it wouldn't install because some file was missing.

At this point, I think I'll wait to see if we get an update to OS2008 or to try a different BT GPS receiver.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

Tweak the "Download Steps" setting in the "Manage Repositories" dialog. That variable determines which zoom levels are actually downloaded automatically. This can save disk space. ("View Steps" determines which zoom levels to actually display. If "View Steps" is less than "Download Steps", then for some zoom levels, you will see pixelated versions of higher zoom levels.)

Alternatively, you can download the maps manually using the "Manage Maps" dialog. Manually downloaded maps are not subject to the "Download Steps" variable.

The concept is called "Auto-Rotate" in Maemo Mapper and is enabled via the "View | Rotate | Auto-Rotate" menu item. It only works when "Auto-Center" is enabled. Otherwise, you can always rotate the view manually.

Maemo Mapper cannot read the proprietary map format of Maps/Wayfinder, so that isn't the problem.

Re: Maemo Mapper v2.2 for OS2006/OS2007/OS2008
 

OK, this makes sense now. I had used up 2.1G with the map app that came with this n800, now dumped. Now maps dumped too :).

Might take a while but perhaps just define North American box and let it download until the cows come home to make sure I get everything.

Guess it might be wiser though to just turn on all the zoom levels and go to the areas I specifically want as a start :).

Much to learn here.

Ah, thanks. Problem is, I think, trying to futz with the device while driving (scary with any device:-). Every time I turn on auto center and touch the screen it goes away - gets exciting :-).

MUCH to learn, I can tell :-).

Got another 2.1G to work with now :-), Thanks!.

Quite a marvy little app here, much appreciated!