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3) is most probable, since the time loss to release a N800 image will be negligible, and will surely make Nokia look better in the eyes of the community after the 770 drop. ;)

Or at least i want to think that way :)

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Agreed: anything else would be crazy. But not all decisions a company makes can be considered "sane" ;-)

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Could happen . . . but it seems extremely unlikely, as that'll mean support for the WiMAX N810* will last less than a year, and we all know exactly how big the riots will be if that happens. ;)

Nokia's insanity could play into letting this happen, but, if there's any sane reasoning going on in there, it wont. Support for the N810 is free support for the N800, so making us unpack the FIASCO image and flash each piece individually seems to be about the dumbest thing they could do. This is Nokia, though. :D

This is what I see happening (though if 4.2 ends up being called Elephanta and support ends there I'm really gonna have to get serious about that trout walloping expedition). They have to know dropping support for the N810 after just a year (even less for the WiMAX version) will get them into just as much trouble as they did with the 770—more, even, since they effectively promised us it wouldn't happen again (in spirit if not, now, technically) and there are a lot more people to piss off now.

*Can we agree on a good abbreviation for the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet with WiMAX™ now? I'm really not interested in typing out "WiMAX N810", "WiMAX tablet" or "WiMAX version" for much longer. Would N810W work?

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I've used N810WE at least once - that's closest to the actual (presumably trademarked) full name of "N810 WiMAX Edition".

So I'd go for a consensus of N810W or N810WE.

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But extra letters are <sheep>baaaaad</sheep>. :p

Anyway, here's the poll.

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is it possible that the n810w will have anything worthwhile for those of us in the UK? i.e. without wimax?

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Nice thread. Just wanted to jump in here seeing that I've had my fill and so many of you have contributed a lot towards my learning of the OS side of the IT life.
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Been doing some homework so to speak, looks as if this might be part of a further reaching play by Nokia. My thoughts are this:
- engage the Linux community to play, highlight those folks doing considerable work
- release three devices similar in most of the hardware configuration, but different enough to hit different audiences - effectively making hardware abstract and the software the driver (of innovation, service, purpose)
- then price accordingly with the want of people to be connected and the state of digital networks to come

If that's the case, then effectively step 3 of Nokia's plan could be a 3 device strategy, step 4 a services one, and step 5 the mouth dropping tid bit that has been alluded to in various spots here.

Kinda exciting, but like many of you, the wait and specualtion are killers.
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Would love to see Diablo (a 4.1 not a 5) introduce some consistency in the UI across the default and some of the included 3rd party apps. Matching up with the FF3 engine should be something done, but I wonder how much can be done seeing where that project is at this point (at least one more beta and a release candidate or two I would think before final).

And thinking of the slight hardware tweaks of the N800 to N810, the N810WE (or N830 as the Best Buy circular named it) would seem to have something of a tweak as well. Maybe some tightening of the internals and some optimizations with more efficient RAM modules or something of that sort. Something where those Diablo tweaks really shine through, but aren't so missed on the N800/N810 models.

Again, just some thoughts after reading and thinking a bit.

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A different coloured N810 :D

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Couldn't agree more with you. My main problem with my N800 is that it is (very) uncomfortable to use with one hand, and without the help of stylus. Of course, we do not use a pocket device only in the sitting position, and it has to be taken in account by the UI team.

I see this point as the main difference/weakness between the Tablets and the iphones/ipods, and maybe should be reinfoced in the next generations. I mean, we don't need all that eye-candy things, but we *do* need the easyness and pleasure to read emails/browse sites.

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i dont think the tablets where ever designed to be used on the go like a phone or similar...

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Sure they were. But that assumed a robust wifi infrastructure... which exists in some areas, almost in others and not at all in even more. : /

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I recall several post where people wanted to see the gecko code updated to the more recent code base to gain some performance benefits. Are there any rumors that this 4.1 release could do that? I love the browser, but any performance boosts would be great.

Also, I noticed some flash movies (youtube) are a little slow (even when not in a high bit rate) - to be expected from a 400mhz processor. Is there any educated opinion that updated/better optimized Flash or Gecko code could improve playback some?

Maybe the better question is this, are there any educated opinions that there are video performance enhancement yet to come?

Thanks,
Bruce

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You can see the browser changelog from the last published version (1.0.3) in its svn.
There you have an idea of the work that they are doing in the browser.

microb-engine changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scm...er&view=markup
libgtkmozembed changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scm...er&view=markup


There are a few very interesting patchs in libgtkmozembed on March 18th.

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Aaargh, kinetic scroll... i hate this thing. :)

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glad im not alone on that kinetic scroll thingy. must be one of the most insane memes apple have spawend in recent times...

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Is it correct then that we should expect the Diablo release to come out at some point today?

It was going to arrive simultaneously with the WiMax edition correct?

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Nothing to expect, as there has been no official word. ;)

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Well, the N810W announcement is expected tomorrow by many people.
But there was a gap between N810 announcement and launch, and another gap before we got OS2008 for N800.

So don't get your hopes up...

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It's far too late to tell me not to get my hopes up :)

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Okay, go ahead and get your hopes up, but go to sleep and we'll wake you when there's news. :D

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AHAAA!

You mean TOMORROW, doncha??

;)

dcarter

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:) Sounds good. Don't worry about waking me though, I have a 7 mo. old who is both teething and coughing due to a cold so I only vaguely remember that "sleeping" thing you are referring to anyway.

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It's overrated.

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life in general is overrated...

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...and still beats the alternative. ;)

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as that old bulldog said about democracy. its the worst there is, except everything else that has been tried before it...

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I'm all for kinetic scrolling if it helps bring some UI consistency to Maemo, woohoo :-)

For those who don't think it'll be useful, let's all hold out judgement until we use it? The quality of experience varies greatly in the implementation: it could be a rubbish implementation, or an excellent one (I put MediaBox's clever switch of the active area to a smaller portion of the item in the latter camp).

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Hmmm... Sounds nice; now I have to go get mediabox just to play with it. (Even though I'm happy with my media-playing setup).

And I've no great objection to kinetic scrolling per se, either. But in the browser, some level of motion is required to initiate a drag right now, because the whole page is a click-interaction area, and it has to be quick, to avoid a long-tap. This seems to make a good inertial-scroll hard; it'll be easy to send a page flying, but to give it a little half-page nudge may be hard... guess we'll see what they've got implemented when it gets here. (Or when someone gets excited enough to build from CVS and post it where I can get it...)

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I've used kinetic scrolling before. Regardless of the implementation, it sucks. This better be an option I can turn off because that's seriously a showstopper in my eyes.

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you've gotta be kidding. sure it sucks if you have to scroll a long way or if the application can't redraw fast enough to make it smooth, but saying it sucks regardless is a bit much. have you tried it in quiver?

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A little harsh, maybe, though I've never seen a very good implementation either. I can never get the damned things to stop where I want to :(

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Well, the specs are simple enough; a good implementation would let you set the thing flying, then when you touch it, would quickly (but not quite instantly) brake, and wouldn't take off again if you lift fairly straight off.

The latter is the typical problem; it's exacerbated by the nonlinearity and assymetry of a finger-screen interface. When you lift your finger straight, the centroid (as measured by a touchscreen) moves. Appropriate magic to disregard this motion and catch all deliberate flicks without feel degradation is difficult, to say the least.

But my biggest complaint is the same as for kinematic scrolling; the scrolling area usually overlaps the interaction area, so a drag thought better of becomes a click, and a click smeared a little becomes a drag.

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General,

Are you a Nokia employee, Nokia shareholder or both? :D

Crouching Hamster

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To continue the General's point: TI has recently developed mobile CPU technology (with MIT I believe) that reduces the power consumption to 1/3 typical existing for the same performance. That is significant. I expect that improvement to make it into ARM or a successor. In addition, new small battery tech that dramatically increases storage efficiencies is 3 years from market. We're close to a big leap in capability, boys and girls... :D

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None of the above.

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Just a guy who uses his brains well, and writes down his thoughts clearly.

Very disconcerting for most other normal people, certainly.

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You meant me or Benson, right? Not that ranting GA guy.

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Sorry, Tex : Benson and others are certainly in the same league, but the permanent NDA you're operating under means you can't fulfill the second part of the sentence :-)

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LOL! Arg, ya got me.

Next time I'm passing through Charles DeGaulle I'm gonna tell security that you're a "person of interest".

:p

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Sadly enough, that sort of **** works these days. :\