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This is amazing!!!!!!!!!!! and I just bought a 37" plasma display!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! I`'M WET! where and how much ?

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Walgreens- $3.29 for 72 Baby Wipes :D


I myself think this is a great concept which someday we can only hope will become the proof on a consumer level using the equipment we already have + a reasonable expense for the dongle. At least aflegg admits he found and makes use of his NIT in ways he hadn't originally purchased a device for. So why not wait this out and see where it goes? I mean come on, so the tablet can play stereo music and show images on a great screen, but look what INDT has done with those basic capabilities? How crazy can creative developers get when they can tap into sending video from a handheld device? The video shown is just the tip of the iceberg in my mind.

I sense a few different tones and attitudes towards the NIT in general and then again in specific areas. We all know some who've been somehow duped into spending too much for something that does too little. I don't believe I'm one of them. I'm in the same camp as mobiledivide and enjoy the heck out of my device. To each their own- some would whine and complain that their car doesn't do a 10-second quarter mile nor get 35 mpg, yet they don't go out and start their own automobile manufacturing company.

There will always be someone who can do it better- they watch football from their couch every weekend.

I continue to be impressed. I've been slow to embrace all the Linuxish undercarriage of my 770 as it takes time and I wanted to spend more time enjoying what I had than tweaking and patching/hacking. Now that I have the 770 and an 800 I will do more playing IF and WHEN I can justify taking the time. There is so much I have not yet explored, so I commend those who've reached the end of the NIT-feature world and crave and expect more. I think deep down these folks do truly want to give kudos for the expansion of capabilities and newly formed uses for our tablets, they just have too much of a grudge to admit it.

As much as I don't care to read some folks' posts, I currently still will for the time being. They actually remind me of most of the major media corporations, always publishing crap about our leaders, our government failures, anything to diminish and undermine the structure of entiities we should be supporting and uplifting in such "dire" times as these. Naysayers and fearmongers only feed the fire and tend to lead the lemmings to the edge of the cliff. I don't read those newspapers nor watch those news channels, and eventually I will simply pass over those posters who are of a similar ilk.

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i noticed this .. very nice :)

i hope we can use it soon... it would be great for slideshows. i wonder if it uses a lot of cpu for the encoding.

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Don't get me wrong big fella... I wasn't clear or used the wrong choice of words when I said "average user". By that I meant handheld user.

I didn't buy the tablet in lui of a the current handhelds or to replace a PIM. I bought its potential.
In that respect I have been very satisfied with the IMPROVEMENTS that have been made and each time that "development activity" meets "brickwall" cycle that I mentioned occurs, something is learned by all and incremental improvements in existing apps also seems to occur.

My tablet has evolved to be quite useful in ways I could only imagine when I first bought it. In fact, this past week it filled a need for me that I didn't even know existed until it occured... but I'll post more about that later in another thread.

As far as stepping back, well... I don't think so. :)
I maintain that the NIT is an amazing piece of hardware and we haven't yet seen its full potential.
Some of that potential can only be developed by Nokia or it's licensees because of the closed nature of some of its firmware.

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Apologies; didn't mean to get you in trouble; I'll gladly report to Nokia everything that I typed here in guestimation...

Product release schedules for mobile devices are interesting. For smartphones, its anywhere from 3-5 years (depending on testing a a few other variables), but for non-cellular handhelds, it can be a whole lot faster. If all the parts of the development and marketing machine are working together, 2 years from conception to market is not impossible. That being said, much of the IT's community focus has probably cut some of that development time. Therefore guesisng that if this were to come, it would be in IT-next, not necessarly ready for prime time for the wimax IT, but for the 5th gen one, releasing next year about this time (if tradition holds), this and a few other features could be here and very nice.

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This is copy and pasted from the Vimeo comments, a little bit of insight.

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I think S5: A Simple Standards-Based Slide Show System will be very interesting too. Have a look at S5 - http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Just copy this piece of software on N8*0 and run presentation on N8*0.

It will be also cool to present the same on large screen. Cool concept... :)

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KDE + this software = heaven on earth

Imagine a full OS w/productivity (koffice) in your pocket!

-TK

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I agree with the previous posters about the N8*0 doing things I didn't count on. And I understand the skeptical/practical replies as well. Already I use my aging laptop so much less. Did I buy the N800 to show video or to hook up a mouse and keyboard? No. (Although I do work in the audio/video profession)

But that capability just makes the N800 that more valuable a tool to me. Imagine a meeting where someone asks me for a demo of my work. I have a couple of television promos and audio clips I can play on the N800. Imagine if I could feed that to a television? Instant presentation.

I say "thanks" to these developers for pushing the envelope, even if the finished product isn't what we expect. I have a $20 stick that will hold 2GB's in my pocket. I never saw that coming either five years ago. You gotta start somewhere. :D

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It definately is the way of the future.

While there may be some benefit now, it will be mostly when new generation ARM cpus with hdtv res support (cue texrat to deny such a thing exists on roadmap :) I heard it from GenAntilles!! ) -along with- feature rich OS running something like open office. As a company that cant be mainstream until you get rid of 256meg memory limitation... therefore i hope elephanta is such a rich distro and arrives sooner rather than later. KDE is useful now and that would rock, but that cant be made mainstream (out of the box) to put on product sheet.

It is nice though to see it actively useful for current tasks and on roadmap :)

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So, Nokia have been working on their own host software platform to allow Internet Tablets and S60 smartphones to communicate with DisplayLink-enabled technology then?

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I refuse to deny what's in any CPU spec. :p :D

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I don't believe that one. Karel doesn't write one word out of three in bold case, and besides most of what he says makes sense :-)

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this is very cool. You can now use your pocket device for nearly everything. You wake up in the morning grab your n810 and check the news. You go outside to your car pop it in the holder and use it as gps with traffic updates. You get to work and set it on your desk and attach a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and use this noBounds to send the display to your work monitor. Then you go home and play quake. Hmm they should make a commercial like that lol.

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didnt i see some kind of intel promo video that tried to intro a concept like that?

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then the battery runs out
anybody have any link to some sort of external battery pack? (and not one where i have to mold my own ugly plastic covering)

i want to be able to use the internet for 10 hrs

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at both the car and the desk one can insert a charger, same action when going to bed.

now, if nokia had allowed it to charge via usb or provided some kind of docking port so that one could have two desk docks (bedside, office) and a car dock things would really be interesting.

hell, the car dock could have come complete with a external controller, like the one found on some third party car stereos.

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I was just kidding Textrat :)

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Have you checked out the "Nokia Power Pack DC-1"

http://europe.nokia.com/A4487188

I haven' tried this myself, but might be useful especially for longer trips.

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I have one of these. It claims to put out 20W for 4 hours, but it should power a tablet longer than that. There's also a bigger one. A USB charger for the tablet should work better than using the AC charget, but I don't have one.

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whats the most battery-sucking activity that one could do on the N800? i'm guessing SKYPE (drains my battery from full to empty after 30 minutes)

ok
I want to run skype for 3 hours. That means I want to be able to actively search the web and go to energy-hungry sites for 8+ hours. I want to be able to listen to my music on Canola for 15+ hours straight (screen inactive). I want to be able to watch video on MPlayer for 6+ hours

i'm asking for a lot, but i'm sure theres somtehing... and you get what you pay for, right?

seriouosly thats one of the most disappointing parts of my N800.. its battery blows compared to the Touch's

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The research center survived afaik.

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Weird...I routinely get 3-4hrs for Skype calls. I know because I make calls of 1-2hrs several a day a few times each week. And I still have power left over. Then again I keep my display set to 2-bars not blaring at full brightness when it's not needed. Plus my tablet is just about a month old. So the battery is still holds around 98% of full charge capacity.

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yes, but can you shut the touch down, pop the back cover and put a new battery in if needed? ;)

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What? And still have your skype connection up?

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On the Touch? What Skype connection? :p

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And all the ttouch could do is audio video and some browsing. its hard to run down the battery with only that much!

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Touché, but I think you get my drift: The capability of swapping out your battery, while neat, offers limited advantage in short-term use.

It is more important to those whose gadgets have a longer useful life than the battery life expectancy (as in: How long does it take for your battery to go manky) of said gadgets.

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True, although a capacitor and suspend-to-ram (I've heard it works, you just have to wake up within ~30 seconds to kick the watchdog) could enable battery-swapping with only the downtime of changing the battery, rather than an extra minute for shutdown, start-up, and get back where you're at. Especially the browser keeping its place would be nice.

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so when could we expect to see something delivered to our tablets? 1 month from now? 6? a year?

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...or never?

Research projects never have to see the light of day if there's no commercial or business reasons :-/

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Hmm, this one looks more than just a minor project with no future - let me quote the article:

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Is there any news about it? Will it ever be released? Becouse without tv-out i might not get it but when it will have tv-out too then its a perfect device for me.

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the Nokia Research Center Bochum in Germany has been closed some weeks ago ... so i don't know if a team follow the project at nokia

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I think I've read somewhere that they just closed the factory in Bochum, but not the research center.

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So, is this using the IVA to do the encoding?

Perhaps this is the video display that is being talked about for the Berlin summit meeting....? Hope so, looks cool :)

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of course, if you read the article listed in post #115, you get
"As a consequence of the planned shift of production from Bochum to other European sites, Nokia also intends to discontinue other non-production activities at the Bochum site."
Does this mean we have to track down former research employees, and beg for a little python code and such? I really hope we can get our hands on this....

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Out of interest, what exactly do you expect "this" to do? The way I see it there are three things noBounds claims to do:

1. Use a separate PC to give TV out of the tablet display
2. Use a separate PC for rendering data generated on the tablet
3. Upload files from the tablet to data projectors over TCP/IP using whatever weird protocol it is they speak

(1) is achievable with a VNC server already. (2) seems mostly pointless most of the time. (3) is a fairly isolated and esoteric usage (I've never seen a file-uploading data projector, but I have heard of them)

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A cheap device that work in wifi to transmit video,and usb signal with one or two usb slot and a vga / dvi out.

Have you ever try vncserver to see video .... it s slow ... really slow ... many framedrop