Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Scarflash, what were the exact commands you used to install Canola2?

Did you do something like apt-get upgrade? I may be wrong, but from what I have read, if you had certain repositories enabled that it would overwrite critical system packages with broken development and testing packages.

Then again, I could be completely wrong, and apt-get upgrade could be completely harmless; either way, the reflash should have fixed whatever apt-get messed with.

Did you flash with the latest 2008OS image?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Scar, this has been widely discussed in the "streching video" post. What happens : mplayer is in "embedded" mode in canola, and due to a bug, it wasn't able to figure out correctly the format, thus stretching the video. There were hacks we could do (open mplayer 2 times) but we decided to patch (small fix) mplayer to work correctly, we did we submited to mplayer and we are waiting to it to be applied.

About performance, there's also a loss (thus for example any media player that embedds mplyaer will have a slightly worse performance than the real mplayer. We are actually not changing confs etc.

Scar: do you have n810 ? if so have you already formatted your internal disk ?

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

i love you people 8#

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

I would also like to acknowledge Youtube video problems inside the latest Canola. Stretching is minimal compared to the sound not being in sync with the video. Stuttering only happened on one or two videos, most others were fairly smooth, just out-of-sync.

BTW...I just LOVE the YouTube browsing interface, *BUT* it only seems to scroll with your finger on the LEFT-HAND-SIDE of the display. Attempting to scroll on the right-hand-side just selects the videos. Is there anyway that the two side zones could be preferential for scrolling instead of just the left?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

The bottom part of the screen where there is nothing is not touch sensitive. For best results tap and hold the screen just above the bottom part...i.e where the lower part of the listings end and drag it upwards without losing contact with the screen/

Hope this helps

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

i can't copy & paste from other programs to canola. i wanted to start adding shoutcast streams but i cant use ctrl-c & ctrl-v in canola. maybe i'm missing something but to me it was the most obvious way to add stations and it doesn't work.

any thoughts?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Just back to Internet civilisation, at Bordeaux Airport after a few days relaxation and have updated my N810 to Beta 7 with You-Tube plug-in. What can I say about the You-Tube plug-in, well it's "Bloody Marvelous" that's what it is! :D

So intuitive to use, with the option to save played videos :cool:

Oh and the You-tube search feature, please release the search feature for all AV media known to Canola via users guidance, both Local Folder and Internet URL/Feed related.

i.e. Search Album, Artist, Track, etc.

Must get around to updating my Canola2 user guide as there have been some great additions and improvements between early Canola2 Beta1 and Beta7!

"Keep on Trucking Guys" (Canola Team) you are really motoring now :)

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi,

first congrats for the new beta, it's amazing.

And now, Are there any way to subscribe to a youtube's user?

For example: how can I subscribe to

http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/shor...ity/videos.rss

hehe

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

SO far every beta has worked very well for me. The You Tube plugin is flawless. My only question: is there any way to mark a video for later. like a favorites or bookmark feature?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Handful please send that youtube video to engadget so that more and more people know about the coolness of canola and the n800 internet tablet.

If you want i can do that for you.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Thanks, I wasn't aware. :o

I have an n810 w/ 4gb minisd card installed that I boot from. I haven't reformated the internal space yet. Would that make a difference?

Thanks!

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi Moon,

yes there's a known bug, that n810 maybe have a interal disk that is not working proprly until you reboot, and format it.

Re: Beta7 is out with Youtube plugin is Ready! Update also all themes you use!
 

Same here. did everything by the book and I can search but when I try to play nothing plays.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Dude thanks a lot. I have a a 2gb sd card just for this now :)

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Guys, it is just my device, or does beta 7 take a lot longer to load than beta 6? beta6 took approx 15 seconds to load, while beta 7 is taking 2 to 3 minutes.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi, good work there.
I know a fix for many of the A/V sync problems with youtube (when video stream play a little fast, audio is ok).
Is a mplayer little problem, not canola.
For some videos in flv container (youtube for example) mplayer needs the experimental parameter -correct-pts. It works in the last version of mplayer, maybe in the older one too.

Note: Some videos in youtube have true sync problems, this fix is only for the mplayer bug with some flv videos.

I don't know how to config atabake to add extra parameters to mplayer. But maybe this can help the Youtube Plugin team.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Ok, one more problem with the new beta, this time dealing with podcasts.

under beta 6, two rss feeds that I made worked.
Now, they no longer work. This is a regression
http://www.dubfire.net/feeds/tal.xml
http://www.dubfire.net/feeds/tal-no-reruns.xml

The error I'm given is: "URL is no feed: application/xml"

Please look into this.

Thanks

Chris

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Genome : we will take a look, but this message indicates that the server is returning the wrong mime-type. did you change anything your servers that host your feeds?

Anyways we will look and see, but we have a huge list of "problematic" podcast that acts like a test, to avoid this kind of stuff, but unfortunately podcast feeds are so messy, that we may have fall into a regression indeed.

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Marcelo --

Every once in a while, while browsing YouTube (mostly), the program becomes semi-unresponsive. By that, I mean that I can scroll through the list of videos presented, but cannot select one. Usually the "back" button also becomes inactive at this time, so the only way out is to close canola from the pop-up home menu (which I can reach via the hardware 'home' button).

When this occurs, the application is still getting keystrokes (finger strokes?? ;)), because the highlight will 'follow', as I'm scrolling, and (momentarily) highlight when I try to select. The audio feedback ("click") is also present when this happens.

I don't have a fully repeatable scenario... but it seems to happen after I've been playing in canola for a while, perhaps 15 or 20 videos, a couple searches, etc. Please let me know if you need further description (or testing, experimentation, etc) regarding this...

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

I experienced the same as briand last night. Canola remains fully operational, I'm able to play musics view pictures and streaming audio. When I go back to youtube, Canola returns to the last state youtube was. Restarting canola seems to remedy the plugin for another 10 to 15 video downloads and playback.

Thanks,
Jabastien
:cool:

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi Guys (Briand and jabastien) this seems to be "a pattern", so we will for sure investigate it further, to try to repeat and fix the bug.

thanks, this is a more complex scenario and without your help we would never be able to do it in such detail.

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Marcelo: Not sure if you saw my post, but I'm getting this odd volume spike at the very beginning of a song. I also notice that the volume indicator appears to start at 100% and then goes back to where it was set before. Any thoughts. I must just be me since I haven't seen anyone else post this issue.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi Spice3d, I got it, we tried replicating and fixing what happened in some cases, but as you are reporting again, it seems that we are not quite there.

There's a kwnon issue (of a maemo deamon, settings the volume back) and we cannot "deal" with this deamon, so can you please try the following :
set the volume on the DEFAULT media player to zero or near zero, and see if you can reproduce the error ?

What happens is : we send the command to "change volume" or when starting a song we make sure to set the volume to your last used value. It took us some hours to identify what was happening : the default media ENGINE receives the command, set the sound downs, but then the default media PLAYER deamon, goes there and set it back to it's previous volume! Funny huh? thus we need to set it back again. I don't know if Morpheuz has reported this bug to the maemo guys, but now at least you know how to 'reduce" it if that is your case!

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

I got that one time too.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi everyone, I cannot install the youtube plug-in, keeps saying "unable to install canola3 youtube plugin. I have unistalled even canola3 base and reinstalled, but keep getting this messge. I am so anxious to see this work, so if anyone has any ideas much appreciated......
Thanks

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi, about the out of space: we are working in the "choose your download folder" in the settings, so for now you can try setting a link to another folder. It saves today on internal memory which is quite small.

about not bein able to install: please send us at least your log. Did you follow the right sequence? 1st the update to beta7, then update all used themes, then you tube?

cheers

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Does watching a youtube video download it and keep it? Or does watching a youtube video download it, then delete it?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

This is just an oddity I've noticed in this and previous Canola2 betas (and two different batteries):

1. Charge tablet to "Battery full" and keep charger connected.
2. Launch Canola2. A D-Bus "Charging" message will display as Canola starts up.
3. Quit Canola.
4. Leave the tablet sitting idle on the charger. The tablet will not achieve "Battery full" again.

The workaround is to disconnect and reconnect the charger, which is simple enough, but why does this happen? Does it have to do with Canola having its own, internal battery meter?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

@laughing it : it keeps it in the cache for a while until you watch a new one (then replaces the cache)

The youtube downloaded video location and cache is a real issue, and we will run to fix it.

Br

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

I can't even get the base repository to install on my Nokia 810 :( Should I try a manual install? Can someone post directions for a newbie?

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi belloc, first make sure you have formatted you internal memory , this will fix a known issue... Then make sure you have only the needed repositories ( maemo and maemo extras ) then try again!

cheers

marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Yup, that does the trick... I'll just need to remember to reset if I use the media player directly. Thanks.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

my feedback on Beta7:

- All the themes I have (flat black, graphite & marbles) do not show either of the two lower buttons (back & options). I can access the back button by the hardware key, but have no link for the options menu; any solution?
- album entries work a bit better (recognized multiple entries for 1 more album; 3 to go!
(note: I created the ID3 tags myself, all tracks being tagged with an identical album title)
- maemo extras repository required for installation of youtube plugin is offline :S
- video playback still less efficient than MPlayer; did not notice any difference with beta6
- non-unicode characters perfectly supported (edit for my previous post)
- youtube works OK (exceeds my expectations to be honest). Was unable to try all the features due to lack of options menu.

I did not yet find the Last.FM plugin. Is this planned for soon?

Keep up the good work

Ilia

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

After using Beta 7 for a few days, I've now started to experience some problems. Sometimes when starting Canola, it will hang on "Loading" for a very long time, so that I end up having to close it from the swap button. This problem is intermittent, so I don't really have any more information to provide unfortunately, but I figured I should let the team know.
Hopefully the next version, with the download folder, will clear things up.
Still my favorite app on the N800!

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Me too, I experience long load times. However, I should mention that I boot from mmc, and that the metalayer-crawler process struggles with my mp3 files for ~45 minutes after boot, so loading times of ~1min for canola are more than acceptable for me.
Note: the metalayer-crawler problem has NOTHING to do with canola; it's a system process for identifying mp3 and their ID3. the time it take on my device is astronomical for yet unknown reasons :(

Anyways, I noticed another problem: when I play saved youtube media, and click on the options button (complete reinstall of canola did not solve the problem; afterwards I rebooted and the problem disappeared...), the menu comes below the video.
In the screenshot, the video is completely green; that's a problem with the screenshot-taking tool i'm using. on my screen, there's the video with the menu below it.

hope you have enough time to take a look.

Good luck

Ilia

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

@iliaden :

- All the themes I have (flat black, graphite & marbles) do not show either of the two lower buttons (back & options). I can access the back button by the hardware key, but have no link for the options menu; any solution?

We are looking into this issue. We don't know exactly what is happening, but we did already some changes to the themes, to see if is in the theme files and also, removed some bindings that toogles the lower bar. If you are using the n810 try typing some letters in that screen (I forgot exactly which ones) the bar will show and hide :/


- album entries work a bit better (recognized multiple entries for 1 more album; 3 to go!
(note: I created the ID3 tags myself, all tracks being tagged with an identical album title)

Can you send the last 3? (sorry for the work), but it's the best way to find the bugs on our code :)


- maemo extras repository required for installation of youtube plugin is offline :S

This is beyond our control, and to avoid even bigger problems we cannot setup one for us.

- video playback still less efficient than MPlayer; did not notice any difference with beta6

This is also a mplayer issue. Mplayer when embedded mode does reduces performance. We are slowing doing researches on how to fix it, and also considering one new backend with the same (probably) performance but with a real API, easier to control and to avoid bugs.

- non-unicode characters perfectly supported (edit for my previous post)

Nice.

- youtube works OK (exceeds my expectations to be honest). Was unable to try all the features due to lack of options menu.

If you tried all options there, those were all the options. theres no way to implement everything at once right? and we started with a basic set, and now we will include a little more as needed by the users. Sort the search results, maybe comments, choose the downloads folder and maybe feeds will be probably implemented.


@slip
Slip: did you try at once letting the " loading" go for more time? (I know it sucks ) but for us there's a huge difference between hanging and taking 5-10 minutes.

Do you have a huge card? We are planning to include a "advanced" mode that turns off the library integrity check in the beginning, making it even faster to start up canola, but then make sure to refresh manually your library if you did any changes.

@iliaden:

Iliaden, thanks for clarifying that. Just to make sure, we have been so crazy about the optimizing the scanner, that in our last benchmarks we did we were already really fast. If I'm not mistaken, but I will not take this as official, as the others can have some bugs with out " test media " card, created with some of the files sent by you, LMS was considerably faster than the other scanners (in the other media players).

This goes back to the point that we need a reliable media playback engine. Unfortunately in our estimatives it would take 3 months to have one working with the performance near mplayer (based on libXine) but this would end with our problems related to this.

At least we are trying the possible : find the bugs even on other softwares and sending patches to try to fix it, the other projects have been great on talking to us, and this will improve over time.

Anyways, again thanks for a very detailed feedback

Marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Marcelo I reformatted my internal memory card but that didn't seem to solve the issue. I ran the Canola cleanup routine and that seemed to unclog things. I was able to install everything and it's up and running. Love it so far!

-Chuck

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

I can replicate the issue with Flat Black* by having another application eating up processor cycles as Canola loads. Launching MicroB from a bookmark of Internet Tablet Talk's main page and then launching Canola does the trick for me. If Canola doesn't have to fight for processor time as it starts up, the bottom buttons appear.

* I haven't tried the other themes.

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi sjg,

This is a really helpful feedback. Now we can take a much better look at the issue!

Thanks!

marcelo

Re: Canola2 Updates - Beta7, Themes, and YouTube Plug-in
 

Hi,

You asked for album problems - I uploaded one album that is not recognized as one. the link is: http://adrive.com/public/7528276f437...879c787d8.html
ID3 tags were constructed based on the filename, and the "album" for all the tracks was the same ("FRANCE").
All the tracks (or almost) are in french, 56kbps, mono. I usually lower the music quality to fit more songs on one mmc, specially since I cannot hear the difference.

Hope this helps

Ilia