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I just checked out the Pandora site. SWEET!!! Any thoughts on when this little unit will be available in Canada/North America? Shame there is no planned Bluetooth hardware integration for this edition. I guess that's a future consideration for version 2. Crouching Hamster |
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The Pandora does indeed not have built in bluetooth, but it does have a USB 2.0 full host port. USB BT sticks have shrunk to truly minuscule dimensions, so inconspicuous BT won't be a problem. |
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We are doing our best to interact with the open source community - the outcome can be debatable and i agree that it's a mixed success in different areas. However from kernel point of view i haven't seen any activity from the Pandora project on public mailing lists like linux-arm or linux-omap. I don't know if they will pickup some of the code drops from TI or what, but it looks like they have not much support for a community of developers. If you are just interested in the HW, well, ok but it still requires sw, right? Possibly a community will rise around it. And so what Nokia should care about? If more stuff comes out, maemo will benefit as well. Maybe even more than having just plain ports of applications. Hildonization is acceptable for better integration but personally i see little value in "porting" by adapting a certain application to maemo specific weirdness when a debian version would be otherwise already available. So more devices similar to the internet tablets will rather improve the vitality of maemo itself. Just like Nokia is not the only company using Symbian, I think it never expected to be alone in the linux effort. Provocatory as it might seem, your signature is bogus at best and most certainly pointless. |
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/home/user # dpkg -i --force-depends /media/mmc2/numptyphy sics_0.1_armel.deb Selecting previously deselected package numptyphysics. (Reading database ... 15495 files and directories currentl y installed.) Unpacking numptyphysics (from .../numptyphysics_0.1_armel. deb) ... dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) dpkg: error processing /media/mmc2/numptyphysics_0.1_armel .deb (--install): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr /bin/numptyphysics') Errors were encountered while processing: /media/mmc2/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb /home/user # I don't know what that means, other than that I --probably -- don't have Numptyphysics installed. |
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I am mainly referring to the Pandora's hardware, but if you had taken the trouble to actually read the Pandora forum, you'd have met the community. My beef with the Itablets is with Nokia, not with the community. Like you said, the Maemo community doesn't really depend on Nokia anymore, what with all those OMAP devices in the pipelines and a (possible) shift to Intel as well. But Nokia certainly does depend on the Maemo community... |
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/home/user # dpkg-deb -c /media/mmc2/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb drwxr-xr-x 0/0 0 2008-04-01 15:11:15 . drwxr-xr-x 0/0 0 2008-04-01 15:11:13 ./usr drwxr-xr-x 0/0 0 2008-04-01 15:11:15 ./usr/bin -rwxr-xr-x 0/0 167340 2008-04-01 15:11:15 ./usr/bin/numptyphysics tar: Short header dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 1 /home/user # I find it confusing, as I definitely don't have ./usr/bin/numptyphysics. Then again, that was just about the only part of the output I somewhat understood, so... EDIT: I forgot: I deleted my first download and re-downloaded the install file again. I tried to install it prior to this diagnostic run and got the same result as the first time. |
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i just tried 10 minutes ago, after downloading the .deb dpkg -i --force-depends worked for me. Are you sure the download went well? Perhaps some cache to clear or similar?
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I'm happy to say the install went well and -- sofar -- Numptyphysics runs almost perfectly. One exception: the "hold ESC to quit" doesn't seem to work, but killing from the home screen does a fine job. It's a very very nice program, but I'm still pining for a variation I outlined on the CrayonPhysics site: Instead of a puzzle-solver, I'd like to see it as a freeform drawing program for kids. It's a nice way for younger children to create animations and a sort of virtual Legos. Perhaps a series of predefined shapes could be added as a side-toolbar: wheels, levers, standard building blocks, even legs and arms that perform pre-defined motions. Ow, I dunno, I'm just making this up as I go along. |
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That sounds like a crayon version of The Incredible Machine :)
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One single b i t c h ing user - especially one doing it with the intensity you do it - generates mostly amusement, however i wanted to know what was the reason: if you had a vocation for it or actually a valid complaint. One should always be given a chance to explain his unhappiness. Quote:
Anyway, about Pandora I was referring to the developers who bring out the product. Where are they? We are present in many mailing lists - i hang around mostly in arm & omap ones - and I still have to see anything coming from Pandora. We, on the other hand, are right now providing patches for power management, usb, alsa .. and more will come soon. Quote:
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Anyway, as I said, Nokia is used to competition, actually welcomes it, therefore there isn't anything new in Pandora coming out. When OpenMoko came out neither we did run and hide, nor we got upset with it (actually some of our guys are involved with OpenMoko as well). I wonder why you think that yet another device would be different. But probably you prefer your very biased interpretation What can I say .... enjoy it! |
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There actually is/was another piece of similar software made by someone else that was less goal-oriented and more just a 2d physics sandbox...I can't remember what it's called, but I'll post when I come upon it again.
God, I love numpty physics. It's so entertaining, even with so few levels, just making stuff and trying things out. |
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Interestingly, the corrupt file was three times larger than the healthy one. Is someone trying to feed viruses down the Itablet pipeline? ;) |
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Once I discover it, I'll share with the community. |
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How did you download it on the tablet and from where?
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- little or no documentation for the hardware TI and OMAP architecture is not very open and so is other hardware (wlan chip), we'd like to have documentation for jazelle, 3d chip, IVA, or source for DSP kernel running on tablets so we can add stuff and rebuild it - fear of breaking the hardware with no documentation some changes may damage the device, also we still have no info about cold flashing the device, I would probably do more work in hacking the bootloader if I had a way to recover from breaking bootloader or config partitition. Even getting the pinout (for newer devices, 770 is known) and building the right cable takes time. - chronic lack of time I'm picking lowest hanging fruit first, there is simply no time for bigger stuff, any small roadblock and priorities change. Over the years there were a lot of comments from @nokia.com people on the mailing list about how everything is easy and right under our nose etc. Not true when seen from outside. Also why to bother reverse-engineering stuff? Yes it is fun for the first or second time but my happy reverse-engineering period was at the time when I had C64 or Amiga, not today. This also relates to - hate to do duplicated or useless work Who knows what Nokia is cooking in the labs? Why to bother with reinventing the wheel? Why to bother when next release may break it? The only device worth of attention now because of this is 770 :-) As for pushing upstream (where upstream is Nokia, not kernel.org), yes this is problem too. Why to bother when Nokia will not include it in stock firmware and most users will not be able to use it. We were thinking/talking in maemo-developers about adding some nice features (mainly pixel doubling, rotation) of the epson video chip to the kernel and optimizing SDL for it, the answer was something along the lines - no we don't want it because it is HW specific hack and this HW feature may not be available on future devices (which is probably true). Also as Nokia is doing relatively good job with kernel one reason why there is not much work done is simply because there is no need, it already works :-) |
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Thanks for that excellent clarification, fanoush.
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Hee hee. My roommate, who doesn't particularly care for my N800, has become semi-addicted to Numpty Physics anyway. Maybe it's the killer app that everyone talks about. (I always suspected that the key to the popularity of Windows was Microsoft Solitaire...)
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Numpty Physics: AWESOME.
I agree that this app may very well be one of the "killer apps" for the NITs. Here's my "Trebuchet Solution" to the final level! ;) :D Note that this is only a "paused physics solution," and that it is much easier to do things on pause than while the physics are "running". http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/...91fed325_o.png So, where should we post our new levels? |
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This game is awesome!! and it's in alpha stage? I can't wait until it is in stable state!!
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- the list is broken atm but i still get the messages. i will include some new levels in the next release. once i work out this mime and dbus stuff we can have a wweb catalog of levels. |
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Thanks Tim. This is truly awesome! I have spent HOURS playing with this...is it a game? I love the truly free form of play that it allows. Bravo!!
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Thanks again Tim, for this awesome app. It's the most fun I've had on the IT...absolutely addicting:D!
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a) it offered no confirmation message (but, being beta, not necessarily expected) and, b) I couldn't find the file. More from ignorance, though, as I am not sure how to locate the following path. Quote:
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Numpty Physics: woo hoo!
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Ok, so I've built a couple of silly little levels. I decided to post them here, since the files are so small and this way, everyone can try them and proceed to mock me.
Unzip the levels into your ~/.numptyphysics dir. I arbitrarily named the levels 97 and 98, you can change the level numbers to whatever you want. Once you re-open Numpty Physics, you'll have my two levels at the end. Use the right D-pad button to skip through the other levels. |
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By the way, there's another weird bug in NumptyPhysics. If you have multiple goals, and you hit one of them, the goal disappears but it continues to exist, it is just invisible. This can certainly add challenge to a level, but it is not expected behaviour.
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qole, this bug has been fixed in the svn version on the garage page. I compiled it (and got a neat new level as well) and am running it on my tablet (although I couldn't get it to run in scratchbox)
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Tim will release 0.2 when its done, please don't rush him :)
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No rushing here. The bugs in the current version aren't show-stoppers. They just make things more... charming.
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