Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Munky, which repository are you using? I have chinook extras (not diablo extras). the red pill update didnt change anything for me

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I just enabled diablo extras-devel, and in red pill mode updated "Operating System." Canola seems to now work great! Woo-hoo! Note: be careful what you install from extras-devel. A lot of things (ex: xournal) will not work.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

i have all the repositories from gronmayer.com installed minus a coule i dont need and i have extras-devel disabled

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hey all, good news for everyone. It is now available in diablo extras-devel. This is just a backport of beta9 version and all bugs for this version still remain there. It took almost 3 weeks to fix all the bugs in EFL packages and adjust them to the new builder infrastructure.

And because of the autobuilder, we could not build the ogg support for canola. We must wait until the ogg guys upload their packages to the extras-devel repositories.

I'll finish to upload the plugin packages today and as soon as the packages are ready and tested, I'll move them to extras.

Finally, you won't find the Canola section in application manager. It is now under Multimedia section, following the Maemo packaging policy.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I know there are some workarounds to get Canola working properly under Diablo, but I've been holding out for the "official" fix. This is great news. Thanks!

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Thanks for getting Canola into the Diablo reposistory. It installed for me with no problems. Great to have the program back, almost ...

Is it possible to move the Canola plugins into the Diablo repository too? I previously removed the Chinook one in hopes of avoiding conflicts, confusion, and other problems.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yeah, I'm working on uploading the plugins and themes at this very moment. The themes are already there.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

So I have a dumb question. Do I need to add the Diablo extras catalog, since I do not see one listed in the Application catalog list (even though I updated to Diablo). Or is the Diablo extras the same as the Maemo extras which is currently disabled by default?

Thanks

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi Vrette. You need to add the extras-devel repository. It's still on testing phase and I prefer to ensure that everything is running well before moving it to extras. One thing to notice is that Canola2 package is now under the 'Multimedia' section, following the new maemo packaging policy. You won't find it under the 'Canola' section as it used to be.

Maemo extras-devel repository

Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Distribution: diablo
Components: free non-free

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I'm a complete noob, but I get it now, Hopefully this will do the trick. One more question, Should I disable the chinook extras? thnx so much

update: I took a flyer and went ahead and installed canola2 after adding the repository. it works. thanks again.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

No this is not true. For example, I can get the iPod 5th gen to store both 'optimised' and originals. The same is true for the newer iDevices too. All you need to do is check the "upload full resolution images" checkbox.

But, how do I fit my DVD in to my iPod without transcoding? Seriously..? I just use Handbrake, it created iPod files (optimised for TV) and also puts in the chaper markers. Chapter markers are a BIG deal... any player without chaper markers is a step down ;-) (and this, again, is a 5th gen iPod)

Files of other type... I have never got my N800 to play *any* video without transcoding... except very low res quicktime... the type of low res quicktime that plays on ipods happily (do you see the irony there? ;-)

Eh? My music is in MP3 or AAC format. The files are transferable to and from the iPod (in fact my N800 has now got stuff I grabbed off of my iPod last night on it.) Apple doesn't allow the reverse transfer with their tools, but there are at plenty of Windows and Mac tools that do this for free.

I think you are making a bigger deal about being "tied" by the iDevices than is really true.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Does anyone else find that Canola will play short portions of random MP3's between songs and just plain hang about half way through an album? It might be the SD card I guess... except, the built in media player just "works".

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

While this is true, the device doesn't use the full resolution version for viewing, only storage. So it is true that the photos are optimized to be viewed on the iDevice screen and those are the only ones able to be viewed on the device. When you check the box and it loads the full rez versions you don't have two copies to view, do you?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

When you check the box it creates the optimised version and also copues the full res ones too, yes. Also, on the 5th gen ipod, the restrictions of the screen are met in such a way that it is completely pointless to burden the device with the conversion. You still have the full versions one the device and can access them easily through USB. Now, the iphone might be another story, but it's not what i'm getting at. The ipod still displays my photos in a way that is completely sensible, given the physical restrictions of the device.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

For distribution can i put a line like.

chinook diablo

If i want access to both?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

How do I jump to red pill mode and update python? I want to get my plugins to work...

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yes, well, anecdotes aren't really useful metrics for measure media playback capabilities.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

When is this expected to be released for Diablo???

If you go here >> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/
and click to install, it asks to enable the extras repo but when you do, it then reports that the app can not be found.

By released I mean in the correct repository with updated dependencies. :)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

search diablo extras-devel for the URL and info to enter into a new catalog entry in the App Manager. Then disable it after installation. Otherwise you'll see dev updates that you may not be ready to work out the bugs for on your own.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yeah but no. :)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi again : you will never use full 5mpixel photos on the iphone. As you said, it would be pointless to "see" but for most of users, they just want to plug the SD straight from their cameras to the device. This would never be really smoothly fast on the iphone. So it's not lie as you said...
that's the point also : you are doing 2 comparisons :
a) Tv quality is lower than 640x480, and this would not be fullscreen n the ipod and for playback they can scale down to qvga, and again: it's a dedicated playback device. So they can of course play bigger resolutions with a litte bit less effort.

b) you are transcoding with handbrake already because mp2 would never play on the ipod.




I don't agree with you but as iphone can pllay good quality videos, thres one catch: try to play any other formats? :)

I am not defending or being blind. Theres a lot of issues that need to be ironed out and the need to say that is in a constructive way, but comparisons need to made in a fair way. iphone is a great device, but it comes with a price. Then you need to see how much do you wanna pay? I was trying to use the iphone nw that I am on vacations, but the simple lack of bluetooth dialup network profile... kills the use for me:(



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And the same for music and so on.
Eh? My music is in MP3 or AAC format. The files are transferable to and from the iPod (in fact my N800 has now got stuff I grabbed off of my iPod last night on it.) Apple doesn't allow the reverse transfer with their tools, but there are at plenty of Windows and Mac tools that do this for free.

I think you are making a bigger deal about being "tied" by the iDevices than is really true.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

No you can't. This is only possible for the "Components" field. You must add another entry to the application catalogue list if you want different distributions.

Best Regards.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

It's there right now! With the help from Niels, who set up the non-free queue for diablo extras, the packages are already there. The plugins are on their way to extras too. Just waiting for the repository index to be updated.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

has volumn level been fixed? And by "there now" does this mean I can install it with Canola's very own "click to install" button?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yodude

We are double checking the install file, but its safer to go straight to the application manager / multmedia..

BR

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Just wondering, even though its probably safe to use the Chinook repository for it, will the other themes be added to Diablo Extras anytime soon?

Edit: Never mind, they're just not in the multimedia section like Canola, but in the themes section, which doesn't make sense to me, but whatever :D

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Tried to update via application manager, I'm getting the message that I can't install due to missing packages:
flash-and-reboot
initfs-flasher
kernel-diablo-flasher
liblightmediascanner0

I have all my chinook repositories currently disabled, fwiw.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

The first 3 are an issue that's got nothing to do with Canola. I fixed this just the other day, by doing sudo gainroot followed by apt-get -f install in terminal.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Just wanted to thank etrunko & Canola Team for update to allow us to now install Canola2 on Diablo OS without frigging any package locations. ;)

I have (last couple of days) installed Canola2 (Diablo OS) using the OS Application Manager along with the YouTube, LastFM and Theme plugins. Canola operates just fine fine and dandy ! :)

I have noted (in my case?) a minor problem with the Cover Art option of My Music. The small thumbnails never seem to be correctly updated (Grey ?) even though when playing a whole album or track from an album; the now playing options correctly display the larger album art! :)

I used built in cover art plugin and switched from "embedded only" option to all options selected i.e. local covers, embedded covers, LastFM & Amazon. (Updated my covers to see if it made any difference?)

I have embedded art and local covers (Folder.jpg) for all my music stored on a 4Gb MMC, the embedded appear to be the only album art available to me via Canola2 with no option to change any cover alternatives i.e. Amazon or Last.FM offerings? (Was connected to internet at time of cover updates)

Apologies if above is already a known and reported problem with cover art plugin.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Just Seen Canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 appear in Extras but it cannot be upgraded because it deoends on liblightmediascanner0 (=0.1.10-maemo2) which is not present (in Extras or Extras-Devel).

Went to Red Pill mode and I found an update for liblightmediascanner0 (0.1.10-maemo3) in Extras ...

I suppose there is no new feature or bug fix in this release ... but you know how it is : very hard to see a new version and not be able to install it ...

Hope this helps

Fred

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi Mike

we will take a look at this issue, need to see what is happening to the covers. Did you marked all the sources in the covers? strange behavior..

Lot's of work ahead :)

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Similiar issues here - appears that all cover art is being downloaded from various sources (multiple cover .jpgs in covers directory) however is does not look like the large covers are being resized by canola. There are no cover-small files to match the large covers.

Doug

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hummm... Let me guess: You seem to have installed the chinook version right? And maybe ogg-support-lightmediscanner? Lightmediascanner in diablo does not include ogg support due to the new maemo build system, which requires all dependencies to be in extras-devel and unfortunately it's still not the case of ogg (the ones provided by Tuomas Kulve) packages.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hum, I got an update today (ok, maybe not today because I have not updated my n810 for a while) and Canola work fine for me now. I will post the exact version of the packages if someone want it.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I have the same issue. However all of my art is embedded. I did leave all of the options checked but it doesn't matter. The art displays correctly in the now playing but it is blank in the cover flow like view.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hy Guys, just to let you know I placed Cover arts (actually tuning + scanner) in high priority for beta10. Let's see if we can find files / covers / that are problematic and fix them. If you an "isolate" problematic files and send to us.. we will gladly add them to the test database and make sure the scanner is not crashing / covers is not dying on them!

if you have doubts how to do so..please private message me!

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

When (roughly) is that due out?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi Guys,

About the button on the phone we talked internally about that and I think Pycage or the other player guys did it so it's not a real problem. And it shouldn't be a problem to canola because you have the basic hardware support now, and better, improved is coming.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Same here.
Occured after a fresh reflashing and on fresh canola instalation. Worked on Diablo befor reflashing.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yah this seems like a wrong library dependencie problems, lets hope the new version doesn't bring those problems back, and also improve the support.

MArcelo