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It occurred to me that a joke could run something like "wow, that's an interesting picture of the eee pc being balanced on the upraised hand -- how do you use it like that?"

The point is, you can't hold an eee pc in your hand particularly well, and inputting text while you're doing it is more difficult still.

That is what makes me think that the central point of a tablet should be hand-centered, not pocket-centered. The cool thing is that you can hold it in your hand and use it and it's a computer. The difference between it and, say, the eee pc, is that you can make the Nokia tablet bigger and it still could be used while be held in the hand, whereas I don't think even the smallest eee pc (mine is the 1000h, with a 10 inch screen) can comfortably be used that way.

Theme song for the future Nokia tablet: "He's got the whole Internet -- in his hand; she's got the whole Internet -- in her hand, they've got the whole world in their hands."

Or something like that, a takeoff on an ancient hit song.

Or, for those still fixated on their pockets, "he's got the whole internet -- in his pocket," but that just doesn't have the same ring, does it?

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YES, if they are ibm thinkpad laptops. I fix them and donate them to elderly/senior citizens. They are relatively easy to fix. I will pay shipment or a small $ out of pockets too if you want to get rid of them.

bun

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The central point of the tablet IS that it is hand centered. The design has been several years in the making, including everything from the OS to the touchscreen to the HW keys. That is why shrunk-down Wintel UMPC tablets, although handheld, don't work well as a handheld.

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Use both. I looked at a Acer by HP with Linux at Office Depot. It is cheap at $269 and I can have it with Ubuntu. I travel lite so I will be sticking with my N810 for now, unless a client insist I have a laptop.

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Dear all,

I cannot consider the N810be be a carry around computer,instead of an Internet Tablet because of one thing that the Acer and the other netbooks have, and the n810 does not have:

* VGA out

If I wanted to use the n810 as a PC replacement then a VGA is what it would have to have. Then one can take it home and plug it into a TV or LCD, or take it to work and plug it into the work LCD screens in the office. Sadly, if work asked me what I would like as a notebook/ desktop replacement, then I would opt for an EEE PC because of the VGA out. I cannot peer at a screen this small for hours on end. I type this note from my Vaio, which is easier on my eyes that at present do not require glasses!

If the n810 had a VGA out then I would sell my notebook/ laptop and change to the N810. There is a VGA-USB project on the go. Its good work, but still in progress.

The second killer for the N810 would be HSPA/EDGE connectivity.

Regards, Z.

I have not read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been pointed out.

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Not being suitable as your only computer isn't at all the same thing as not being a computer; I'd be much happier with solid video output as well, but that doesn't prevent me from using my N800 much more like a pocket computer than a pocket WebTV. Then again, I need a desktop for actual work, so it wouldn't be my only computer in any case, and I don't find the screen disturbingly small physically at all; I just want more pixels, and presentation capability is a nice bonus.

But your insistence on VGA seems strange. DVI/HDMI would seem preferable these days (many new monitors have no VGA, so VGA-only would obsolete it before its time), and TV-out more likely of all (Nokia smartphones often have it, and it seems very likely the next tablet, which has HSPA, will have TV-out). Wouldn't either of those be suitable?

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there is support for a vga usb dongle floating around.

and wwan support have been heavily debated. some want it, some dont...

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Someone looked at the alpha SDK and it appears that both video out and HSPA may be in the next version of the tablet. There is no indication yet whether the video out will have a resolution greater than 800x480.

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i use my tablet as principle computer a lot of the time.
I also use my windows desktop to edit files from my n810.

If I want to go out i slide it into my pocket and go.
I can use it for whatever I want or need, but I still prefer to find a large machine to do major coding.

I think having the tv-out would help here, using my apple keyboard and a normal monitor (or pico projector or whatever it is) with my nokia would be a blessing and I could completely cut out the desktop :)

hasta-la-vista microsoft

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and they say that pocket focused guis cant scale up (see comments relating to recent android port to netbooks around the relevant blogs).

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tso,

liqbase looks and works amazingly well on a 12" screen!

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but only with touch, its not usable with a mouse.

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VGA out is possible with the tablets. It's been done using the Targus docking station. However, framerates were an issue.

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I'm interested to see with the new MER using Xorg if the USB-VGA becomes a more viable option than just a picture show.

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Some wrote why not use DVI instead of VGA. The requirement is that it can output to an external LCD / TV etc. I don't care if its s-video, so long as I can plug it into the LCD at work and the LCD at home!

However, IS HSPA more of a money spinner or is it VGA/DVI out. HSPA benfits the clients and the mobile telephone operators, wheras VGAout competes with the netbooks. The choice is not ours but that of Nokia.

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HDMI works just fine for hooking up to TVs.

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I can't believe my post above went untouched... lol. :D

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Alright Textrat, I'll bite.

I've seen the thread for the USB2BGA connector (which also had a frame rate issue), but haven't seen anything on the Targus docking station. Any link or additional information you can send us?

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Is it something like that ?

Interfestingly, it's sold as an accessory for the n800.

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That's the one, deb.

It works well as a tablet accessory. As I showed in the wiki page (under Tested Devices), it can be used as a LAN connector for one, as well as USB hub. But there was also some testing of its VGA-out capability for the tablets and while it functioned, it's my understanding that anything other than a static display rendered poorly.

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Targus presumably has a USB connected dock with the same SIS chipset as, e.g., the StarTech USB2VGA2 I use. (StarTech has a 6-in-1 dock (which might even be the same under different badging).)

Kernel & userspace support is available from Chinook, thanks to Graham Cobb. Nokia's been shipping kernel-level support for these in Diablo (still works with GC's userland), and has some sort of internal productivity suite including full screen-mirroring support; it's what was used for projection (e.g. Qole's Easy Debian demo) at the Summit.

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If you watch the video of my Maemo Summit presentation (recorded and posted by Jamie Bennet), you'll see what video-out on the tablet looks like. I used a Nokia-provided N810, installed Easy Debian on it, used my Debian partition with OpenOffice and presented a PowerPoint slideshow (with animations) using Impress.

And yes, framerates were very much an issue.

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You answered my question. The N810 IS a FULL computer. It's just size challenged and sacrifices comfort for portability.

I'm guessing the RX-51 will blur the lines further by fixing the USB2VGA (at some point), easier to use USB devices, more usable web-cam, etc.

This is a good article: Linux vs. Linux, tablet vs. Clamshell
Old, but a good surprise for me.
http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/...nux-fight.html