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tso 2009-02-06 08:01

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
ok, one part of the osk keyboard issue is fixed, but it still closes on enter, and ignores existing content of input area...

Un27Pee 2009-02-06 11:07

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 262402)

update reports missing packages libxslt1.1 will apt-get it, just to inform you

buhao 2009-02-06 13:06

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
OKI finally got a chance to play around with tear and overall awesome. The issues I am having are pretty funny. I am typping this with the finger keyboard and it is treating it like a password field (shows the letter for a moment and then changes to *). i tried going back to the smaller osk and the space key does not work. pressing the center button also did not bring up the finger keyboard. and of corse as tso mentioned, it does not see previously entered text.

Ok. now i am back in microb so i can add some more things.

1. one of my biggest issues with your implementation of kinetic scrolling is that when i am trying to tap a link it sends me scrolling in some direction.
2. when i finally do tap a link it doesn't do anything to let me know that it has registered the tap and is loading the page. sometimes i have given up on it and start reading something else and then it starts loading the page finally. a possible solution for this would be to have the loading bar on the bottom change color slightly, when the browser recognizes the tap and is loading a link.
3. i loaded my .css file that i use with microb and it didn't seem to do anything. it may have done some things, but one thing it definitly didn't do is remove the scrollbars. this is really nice to be able to do when using finger scrolling.

hope this helps. i plan on playing with tear some more. keep up the good work.

Bundyo 2009-02-06 16:17

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Um, yes, I forgot that I switched on xslt...

tso 2009-02-06 16:50

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buhao (Post 262512)
2. when i finally do tap a link it doesn't do anything to let me know that it has registered the tap and is loading the page. sometimes i have given up on it and start reading something else and then it starts loading the page finally. a possible solution for this would be to have the loading bar on the bottom change color slightly, when the browser recognizes the tap and is loading a link.

i just noticed that the bar is not even shown until one tap a link, but its hard to notice.

what i would do would be to change the reload into a stop the moment a link have been tapped, rather then only when the page starts to load.

if thats at all possible...

buhao 2009-02-06 17:30

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 262548)

what i would do would be to change the reload into a stop the moment a link have been tapped, rather then only when the page starts to load.

if thats at all possible...

i like this idea.

buhao 2009-02-06 17:38

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
another thing i was thinking about that would be really useful (but maybe really hard to do), if the bar at the bottom could be made mostly transparent unless the focus is there. this is something that would increase the area of the page that the user can see much like removing scrollbars. it might be useful to do this to the scrollbars as well, but when finger scrolling is working like i want it to i have no need for the scrollbars.

tso 2009-02-06 17:45

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
i find scrollbars to be useful when pages are overloaded with links or other hotspots...

lm2 2009-02-06 19:27

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Any chance of having a "fit width to view" feature? I realize that lots of people hate this, but for those of us who read lots of news articles, it's nice to be able to increase size of font without having to deal with constant horizontal scrolling.

tso 2009-02-06 19:35

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
hmm, i could have sworn it already does that by default...

meizirkki 2009-02-06 20:05

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 262602)
hmm, i could have sworn it already does that by default...

for most of the pages it does, but try openpandora.org for example of not-fit-in screen-page.

maacruz 2009-02-06 20:15

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Is there, or there will be, a way to set a minimum font size? No matter how much I press the zoom button, the font size here (with minimalistic theme at least) doesn't change a bit.

tso 2009-02-06 20:23

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
i suspect the fontsize of that theme is somehow hardcoded...

i can see the distance between lines change, but not the sizes themselves.

Bundyo 2009-02-06 21:34

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Yeah, there will be a way to change the fonts (though I'm sure it won't affect the page if it's set in px :)

Bundyo 2009-02-06 21:37

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buhao (Post 262557)
another thing i was thinking about that would be really useful (but maybe really hard to do), if the bar at the bottom could be made mostly transparent unless the focus is there. this is something that would increase the area of the page that the user can see much like removing scrollbars. it might be useful to do this to the scrollbars as well, but when finger scrolling is working like i want it to i have no need for the scrollbars.

There was a time when I was thinking about this. No compositing in current Maemo doesn't help it :) Maybe for RX-51 or maybe a hidden toolbar which only shows after clicking on the bottom area.

pelago 2009-02-06 23:11

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
I realise things are fast moving in this project, and I could just download and install it myself to take a look, but I wondered if there were any videos to see this in action?

meizirkki 2009-02-07 07:25

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
I don't think so...

Just try it :)
It doesn't take much space and you are able to uninstall it if you don't like it

Un27Pee 2009-02-07 09:12

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 262654)
I realise things are fast moving in this project, and I could just download and install it myself to take a look, but I wondered if there were any videos to see this in action?

trying it personally is better done a youtube video i think, bundyo has been doing a good job

iskarion 2009-02-07 11:42

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 262635)
a hidden toolbar which only shows after clicking on the bottom area.

Maybe something like:
Fullscreen mode -> Hide the toolbar once a page has finished loading. When the toolbar is hidden, bring it up via pressing the "menu" hardware button.
Non-fullscreen mode -> always show toolbar.

That's similar to the microb behaviour, which I think is not too bad (except that fact that you can't bring up the toolbar in microb via hardware button if it's hidden).

tso 2009-02-07 17:41

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
err, i would worry about overloading that button with functions...

buhao 2009-02-07 18:24

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iskarion (Post 262738)
Maybe something like:
Fullscreen mode -> Hide the toolbar once a page has finished loading. When the toolbar is hidden, bring it up via pressing the "menu" hardware button.
Non-fullscreen mode -> always show toolbar.

That's similar to the microb behaviour, which I think is not too bad (except that fact that you can't bring up the toolbar in microb via hardware button if it's hidden).

I think this would be a good idea. possibly having it appear when any hardware key is pressed. i had forgotten that this was possible with microb. Thanks for the reminder.

@tso: I did not intend to say that scrollbars should be removed by default, just that it would be nice if there was a way to get rid of them if i want to. one idea that i had a while back was the possibility of having invisable scrollbars that finction but are not seen, similar to the virtual buttons in some of the platform emulators for maemo.

@bundyo: any idea on what is up with the .css issue i am having?

Bundyo 2009-02-07 20:39

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Umm, how should I know why your CSS file I have not seen doesn't work? :) Post it here if you want me to have a look at it :) Probably some Mozilla specific selectors.

iskarion 2009-02-07 22:57

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Is there a way to clear/remove a bookmark from dashboard? Clicking the star icon a second time doesn't do the trick.

Bundyo 2009-02-07 23:25

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
This is actually a good idea, hadn't thought of that :)

buhao 2009-02-07 23:58

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 262840)
Umm, how should I know why your CSS file I have not seen doesn't work? :) Post it here if you want me to have a look at it :) Probably some Mozilla specific selectors.

sorry, i am new to this. i thought there was more standardization. if you check out floppymoose.com there is a ad blocking bit that i use. my .css file is just linked to several other files that deal with the site specific stuff. i moved all of my files into the .tear directory and renamed my .css file accordingly. afaik it could be mozilla specific, what would i look for to check?

Bundyo 2009-02-08 08:02

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
-moz-something selectors for instance. I'll check that site later.

Un27Pee 2009-02-08 11:30

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iskarion (Post 262860)
Is there a way to clear/remove a bookmark from dashboard? Clicking the star icon a second time doesn't do the trick.

i will add if there is a way to clear history will be nice,

Bundyo 2009-02-08 12:25

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
@buhao: Just tried the userstyles.css from that site and it works okay. How are you using it?

meizirkki 2009-02-08 13:39

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Bundyo, some google services have never worked with you webkit. :( It just shows me 0% in progress-bar.. That's the only reason why i'm still using pronvits webkit.

Is there something i could try to get gmail and google reader work with your webkit?

Bundyo 2009-02-08 13:41

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
No SSL yet, sorry.

gowen 2009-02-08 15:59

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
When I press the login button on facebook the page is dragged, no matter how quick the tap. Is there a config setting I need? Buttons on other websites I have tried seem to work.

Bundyo 2009-02-08 16:21

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Check the previous post.

gowen 2009-02-08 20:34

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Doh! Sorry, I hadn't made the connection to SSL.

Bundyo 2009-02-08 21:11

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Anyway, the SSL issue can be fixed with exporting WEBKIT_IGNORE_SSL_ERRORS=1 before running Tear. At first i thought it doesn't work, but i was wrong - it works, but not if i set it from inside Tear. I'll see if i can do something else instead.

The problem with this setting is that every certificate is ignored by CURL. Don't click on suspicious pages :)

EDIT: Of course I can directly hack WebKit around it, but that's not the point.

buhao 2009-02-10 14:51

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Tearing away again. Very happy with it too. Put all my css in one file and that seemed to solve most of the issues i was having. The only thing it doesn't like now is the css to hide the scrollbars(html{overflow-y: hidden; overflow-x: hidden;}). any thoughts?

Bundyo 2009-02-10 16:15

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Try for instance with:
html, body {overflow: hidden !important;}

buhao 2009-02-10 16:26

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 263485)
Try for instance with:
html, body {overflow: hidden !important;}

Kinda worked. Hid the bar across the bottom, but not the one on the right. Also it made it where i can't scroll left and right with finger scrolling. i will play with it a bit.

supergadgetman 2009-02-10 18:52

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 263021)
Anyway, the SSL issue can be fixed with exporting WEBKIT_IGNORE_SSL_ERRORS=1 before running Tear. At first i thought it doesn't work, but i was wrong - it works, but not if i set it from inside Tear. I'll see if i can do something else instead.

The problem with this setting is that every certificate is ignored by CURL. Don't click on suspicious pages :)

EDIT: Of course I can directly hack WebKit around it, but that's not the point.

Would it be possible to go back to a previous webkit build or Tear build? I dont know if it is the newest webkit or tear build that downgraded my tablets video streaming performance. Im not sure if you can post previous builds or not, but ever since I updated to the newest Webkit/Tear build I can only score 96/100 in the acid test and I can no longer watch yahoo videos smoothly. Previously I was scoring 99/100 in the acid test and I was watching very smooth video on yahoo music website.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Bundyo 2009-02-10 19:13

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
http://bundyo.org/maemo/webkit/

supergadgetman 2009-02-10 20:12

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 263551)


Thanks alot! It looks like svn 40239-3 performs the best for me. I'm not really sure why. Although I loose the abilty to download files with this build I'll stick with this one until the next webkit build. Thanks again.


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