Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Could you offer the implementation of this technology in you bet with fanoush? B)

Disclaimer: I don't know either who will win.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Wow, if even a Nokian can't say who'll win the Pandora/Nokia shipping bet... :eek:

But, as to the technology -- is talk.maemo.org going to stay with vBulletin as the platform?

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yes, it's called gmane

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yes, like gmane, but without all the ugly.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yeah, but Quim's become an expert at compartmentalising his mind into bits which other parts may never reach ;-)

Yes. It's going to be the exact same site, with a new URL and a new theme.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Sometimes knowing one of two variables doesn't provide more certainty that knowing none.

But my point was: are you going to pick a battle as council member and fight until resolving it? I'm asking as a community member that did vote.

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I would prefer if community members that did vote would tell me what battles I should pick. I mean, that's what most elected people do, right? But in this case, I was elected without even a platform; so I'm at a bit of a loss as to what my constituency wants me to do.

Sure, I'll try to put together a serious proposal for merging the forums and the mailing lists. But what does my Community Councilorship gain me in this area? What difference is there between me and a long-term, respected member of the community like PenguinBait doing something? From what I can tell, the answer seems to be, "not much"

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Can I ask questions (I did vote)?

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Sorry, maybe you missed my list:

What the council is working on?

How can I give my input?

How can I get involved to help?

How can I request help? (what type of help can/should be requested)



Can there be a single place that contains this information? This is my request, my question, my wonderment....

I think that you could get more people involved to help if people actually knew what was being worked on. I do not have anything I want help with. I may be able to help with some low hanging fruit if there was some published list of tasks that needed to be done, as I think would others.

I am merely putting in my two cents as to a problem I see. Qole even seems to also acknowledge some confusion. If you think all is great in maemo land, do as you please.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

And maybe you missed the answers?

Currently, the council is involved in:

• The organisation of the 2009 Maemo Summit
• Backup mentors for GSoC, supporting the wonderful work that VDVsx is doing
• The redesign of maemo.org
• Pushing for the community's vision of the Hildon Application Manager
• Organising the maemo.org sprint meetings (next is on Monday)
• Ongoing tasks such as ensuring that one bit of the community knows what's going on elsewhere

Depends on what you want to give input. We act on information we glean from maemo-* mailing lists, blog posts syndicated to the planet, threads here, conversations here and our own personal opinions (after all, we were elected because of our opinions, so they have value).

One of the purposes of the council is to prevent long discussions about "how best to do X" when it would be simple to do, it shouldn't be controversial and it can be changed afterwards anyway.

But "how can I give my input [to the council]" is the wrong question. The right question is "how can I get involved in more community work?" to which the answer is "just do it" - you don't need anyone's permission, although the council can probably advise you if there's anyone you could join up with rather than reinventing the wheel.

Just ask. We can always say "no". The best example I can think of is Mer having a build system behind the same restrictions as normal firmwares, so that closed components can be included under the same licencing terms; or helping formulate the list of closed components to give to Nokia.

Stskeeps started it and drove it, but I like to think we helped in some way. Again, though, there's nothing that couldn't be done by any other respected member of the community.

The key point of the council is: by being elected, it allows people (incl. Nokia) to know that the community sees us as the respected members.

An obvious place to put such meta-questions (which may form a council "FAQ") is http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Community_Council

I think you missed my point: the council doesn't need an army of volunteers ready to do our bidding. We're facilitators, not commanders.

Don't do anything you don't want to do (or wouldn't do otherwise). Specific tasks are generally raised on maemo-community or our blog. Some of the ongoing stuff:

• Post here, help people.
• Subscribe to maemo-community if you're really committed; or watch maemo.org/news/
• Help triage bugs (i.e. join the Bugsquad)
• Improve the wiki

The basic rule of community involvement: if you see a problem, don't wait for someone else to fix it.

I'm trying to help you (and qole) understand my vision and understanding, but please stop the passive aggressive crap.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Sometimes out here, its like talking to Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory.

You know, I offered some constructive criticism, you don't like it don't use it. Seriously though, grow up.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

That's one.

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Dave saw a problem. I opened this poll after reading his mail on the list.

Everything else in this thread is useless crap if you don't ask the same question Dave asked:
If, and only if, you ask yourself the same question, you got one answer here. Not the answer, as there may be many, maybe not even a correct answer. But it's information. You read it, then you know it. You needn't agree or even have any opinion about it. Just don't argue with people who answer the question you (maybe) asked. All they did was to answer it.

I understand it's emotionally difficult to follow this thread if you didn't ask this question in the first place so you're confronted with an answer without wanting to know... (that's why we learn to give feedback in real life only if the other person asks for it). Even more, being personally involved as a council member doesn't make it easier.
As I read it, there was nobody here saying you're not doing a good job as a council. Some of us say your PR could be better. You either don't talk enough about it, or you talk in the wrong places or use the wrong words or whatever...
But please: Dont mix this. Somebody saying "I don't know what you're doing" is not the same as "I don't think you're doing anything at all" or "You'r not doing a good job". Maybe this is how it's understood emotionally and what caused the ... well, chill here.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

My head hurts from all this shuffling, and all this talk about shuffling. I voted and I'm going to vote again. I'm not sure where I'm suppose to post what. Is it a bug? Is it a suggestion? Is it just a waste of my time? F*ck, there's just too many cooks. It seems like there's 5 council members with 7 agendas. Maybe do a few more things in private. Regardless,

I vote, that when all the smoke clears and all the dust settles, that maemo.org, in honor of Fremantle and me, has a full-service theme with a black background. And big buttons.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

And with that I have more on my original answer on the first page of this thread. In it I said...

I have since gone back to Maemo.org and found that I do in fact have Karma and should have received an e-mail. :confused:
Naturally I suspect that the addy Maemo.org has for me is incorrect so I took a look to find out how I can check. :eek:

There doesn't seem to be one.

Now either I'm to stupid to find it or the site is not designed very well.

Whatever the reason, this has now added to my frustration and I think I'll just hang out here until we are assimilated. :)

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

That little floating Midgard toolbar contains all of the answers.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Not always >> http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...8&postcount=10


Perhaps with regard to many things Maemo.org related some of you heavy users should pause and ask yourself... "Back in the day, when I first started using Maemo.org were all my moves intuitive; or did I ask another member or did I need to read a post many layers down in order to figure it out?"

If the answer isn't "It was intuitive" then I suspect whatever problems you had then, new users will have now. :eek:

What is worse than that is (IMHO) the misperception that develops among new users that these counter intuitive moves are there by design in order to maintain some sort of elite status quo. (Easy there Sheldon, I wrote mis-perception and it is MHO :p.)

Because after all, why shouldn't all these smart folks be able to see the forest for all the dang trees?


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To answer the original question posted in this thread:

I did not vote because voting required interaction with Maemo.org and that site frustrates the hell out of me. :)

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

It doesn't matter how straight forward I, or others, found setting up a maemo.org profile to be. It's now clear that some people are struggling with the process. Therefore, I'll work on adding step-by-step instructions to the wiki. Please be patient though; I won't be able to start work on the documentation until this evening at the earliest.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

"Maemo.org" is never correct, it's always "maemo.org".

Well, it's not relevant, really, since when most of the "heavy" users started using it, it wasn't Midgard. Anyway, improvements are coming to the profile page. You say maemo.org frustrates you, but the complaints so far have only been about the profile (which is a very small part of maemo.org).

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

I've made a first pass: expanding more on the ongoing tasks the council does, and adding an FAQ section.

Comments and suggestions are, as ever, welcome.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

As benny1967 posted, this is not the place for this.

You can read my post at the begining of this thread though for some (not all) of my reasoning. :)

EDIT: And if the following quote is an expectation for posts on maemo.org... this would be another reason.

WTF??? Why does it matter? Are you running DOS 3.0 or suttin'?




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"Why do I feel I'm being handled by a large corporate customer relations department?" he said to no one in particular and mostly for his own amusement...

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

This has nothing to do with voting (because, frankly, voting was the easiest and most straight-forward thing I've done on maemo.org), but I do agree that the website can be frustrating.

The other day I tried adding an application to the downloads section...what a frustrating experience! First I tried uploading a screenshot, but it just was extremely unintuitive. After adding one, when I clicked save, it just wouldn't show up. I didn't notice I needed to hit the little up arrow to get it to go to the top then actually show up. I then tried inputting my name in the author field, but it searched as I typed so I would enter "Bre" but then it would present this huge list and I couldn't find my name anywhere. After inputting my whole name I tried clicking the search button manually, but it didn't work. I then erased everything and tried again, same result. Then finally, I typed quick enough to get "Bren" inputted before it auto searched, and I was able to find my name.

Whew.

Then I saved everything off, but I was redirected to an error page that said my application didn't exist. After pulling my hair out for another five minutes trying to figure out what was wrong, I noticed after saving it attempted to redirect me to /downloads/OS2007/ when my application was for OS2008. I then navigated to the correct page, and everything was OK.

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't want to do that again.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

sjgadsby: Please include instructions for adding an avatar / picture to your maemo.org profile. You told me how to do that personally, but it is incredibly non-intuitive and I'm sure there are lots of people who would like to be able to add a picture who can't figure it out.

Don't forget the step where you have to click your heels together and say, "there's no capital M in maemo.org, there's no capital M in maemo.org...."

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yeah, I could never figure out how to do that...I thought it would be in the profile page...

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Probably nobody didn't vote because s/he didn't know how to upload an avatar to the profile. :)

Of course maemo.org needs improvements but your help would be even more helpful if you file a bug about every single thing that bothers you. The more precise the better, and if you have a clear solution please share it.

Or at least open a thread focusing on problems and improvements in maemo.org.

Otherwise, the risk of deviating this thread from its purposes with website complaints that will sediment here is pretty high. Thank you!

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

It's too bad that Nokia doesn't engage us directly.

That was one of the neat things about the OS/2 community back in the day ... IBM had people both formally and informally engaged with the community, and even today I think I can still exchange messages with one of the guys who has access to the OS/2 kernel at IBM.

That way, Nokia would get unfiltered information. While the Council is a far better solution than nothing, it's still an indirect link for most of us, especially those of us using older (770, OS2006) tablets who still have a desire for a few snippets of love from our tablet's creator.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

They do: officially (through market research and invites from tableteer to take part in surveys), at summits/hackfests and here in the fora:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ber.php?u=7630
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ember.php?u=50
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ber.php?u=1089
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ber.php?u=3257

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Erm, what makes you think they don't? Nokia and Maemo SW people are all over itT, the mailing lists, IRC, bugzilla, Planet, the wiki, etc, etc. In fact, there's one in the post just above yours.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

That's cool. I guess it isn't obvious to someone like me (who only pops in here infrequently due to time constraints) unless they have some sort of indication in their messages. :)