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Really, the N810 is almost ideal for me all around and I usually don't mind its bulk. In fact I don't get why so many people get so hung up over it, and I still laugh at the old race to get cell phones so thin. At some point size reduction means a sacrifice in usability, but again that depends largely on use case. But trim the N810 a bit, add an *option* to plug in a WLAN radio card as I can with a laptop and I will be ecstatic. |
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I don't want to have to carry this "other device" besides my Phone. My phone should be able to do all of the things those "other [pocketable] devices" do, where those "other devices" are:
(* included because, depending on your perspective, the phone might be the "primary device", or the "other device") Any solution for my pocket where I have to get some or all of those functions by carrying "another device" is an insufficient solution. |
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It's currently not feasible to have all on one device because the batteries run emtpy too fast. |
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Because for a nice pocketable Tablet form factor 4" was considered just perfect by the Nokia designers. Similarly for a pocketable form and use as a Phone form factor, a 3.5" (or ~ 4" to quote Texrat) is an ideal form factor as considered by Nokia, Samsung, Apple, Motorola and other phone mfrs. Yes granted for those who are not looking for a phone in a tablet - your main quibble can be that why include a phone and drive up the prices, lock down the device, etc etc. But the main point seems to be stuck at why a < 4" screen on the new "phone" device ? Lets get over that - as that is a part of the best form-factor for a phone (and we know the N900 is going to be a phone). Its about time we accepted that yes - Nokia has decided to bring out a Maemo phone first rather than another Maemo tablet (which might come later). So if that is accepted, then I think we can now all agree that for a phone, a 3.5" screen seems a good enough fit and not that noticeble a downgrade (in fact I wouldn't want to hold up a 4" or > 4" screened phone to my ears). |
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1) Car GPS 2) E-Book Reader And, frankly, I don't do either of those ... and if I did the latter, I wouldn't do it on a 4"ish screen, either. That's too small for me. The smaller kindle is really the minimum e-book reader I'd go with. That's really something I'd apply to my non-pocketable device (so, a Maemo convertible tablet netbook would be better suited for that, to me). |
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2nd battery is charging in a battery charger or is already charged. Battery inside device is getting low. Plug powered power adapter into device Swap batteries Unplug power adapter from device No rebooting or hibernation necessary. What is the big f*ckin' deal? |
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The Tekkeon MP3450 is only a little bit bigger than carrying a 2nd device, you only need to carry it when you're worried about power, can easily hide it in a gadget bag if you carry one, and it has adapters (some included in the base unit) for all of the listed devices. The MP3450i has a different set of included adapters, but I don't think it has support for USB charged devices ... and there are some other devices in that series that might apply as well. Smaller than but without the HUGE expansion in power, is the Tekkeon TekCharge MP1800, which includes chargers for NITs, and has optional adapters for things like PSP, Garmin, Nintendo... and can charge USB devices (like HTC phones). I'd much rather carry an external battery for a heavily used device than carry multiple devices. (my other strategy is that I make sure I have not only a charger in my gadget bag, but a charger at work and at home ... so I don't need to keep winding and unwinding chargers at my common locations, only when I'm at non-usual places) |
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There is this turning point where the amount of money invested in a dedicated device for a specific purpose (example: e-book, photographing) is worth it. Sometimes there is no other solution available. While that might be software related (missing driver or bug in driver, no port available, proprietary protocol) I usually see the reasons are hardware limits of the all-in-one device. For many people a camera on a phone is good enough, but sometimes a SLR is really required for professionals. I imagine for some people a dedicated GPS is required. If you also take the screen into account you cannot simply optimize for stylus input, finger input, keyboard input and then make it good for browsing, e-book reading, both inside and outside in direct sunlight. Tough decisions are made during hardware design. So we see people who'd like additional devices besides their smart device. Usually its professional items which are expensive, not casually used by the average individual. They don't always carry the additional device but my oh my, every photographer has this situation where they just wish they had their SLR with them. Having the smart device with them allows them to at least have the option to make a photograph at all. Ofcourse the quality is then not acceptable, but there might be situations where the fact you have a picture is more important than the quality. Imagine having a GPS device, as basic and archaic as it is, it got you to a point where you weren't lost anymore. I believe also that eventually we are able to have a touchscreen more flexible to be applied. For example by making it detachable, or by having the smart device able to dock easily, or by having it able to talk over HDMI or BlueTooth. There is no reason why every device must provide its own input abilities which directly interface with the human instead of indirectly via other devices. |
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Guys, you totally lost focus. The last X posts are carbon copies of those in certain 1000+ post thread. So please, have mercy on us who are taking a break from all the speculation and focus on the topic. Thank you. :)
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Better is really hard to justify... the device was new (ie not 6 months of sticky fingers and/or screen protector) and that may be all there was to it - after all the N8x0 touch is pretty damn good. But it did feel silky ;) No evidence of multi-touch at all. |
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Did you get to use the speakers? How are they in comparision to the current ones on the tablets?
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Resistive screens can have multi touch as seen by the Stantum demonstration
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So 3.5"... that's the same size, but better resolution, than my iPhone screen.
I know people are upset about the screen drop down; however how is the screen quality compared to the N810? And also, has task switching been mentioned? Hardware or UI based? I think it was asked, but I didn't see an answer yet... so forgive me if this is a repeat. |
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However you may like to know the test we had in mind : I got downstairs after installing Qt and realised my laptop had retained the ssh connection into the device so we dug around and were all ready to upload a recording of johnx saying "I want to eat a cat" or something equally obscure. The acceptance criteria for "good speakers" would have been if we'd been able to see them actually jump out of their chairs :cool: |
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I'd never use one for car (or flight) navigation... those take the next right instructions are nothing but a bother when driving to a new place as you miss the big picture of where you are completely. |
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And if I'm driving my 5-year old TomTom GO, because the Navicore^WWayfinder app is a joke (and I'm a paid licence holder). And sometimes even the SLR, although that's a different use case and I have to make an explicit decision to carry another case, so the compact ends up getting a lot more use simply by virtue of being there with me (which makes its quality or lack therof that much important). Some consolidation of the above wouldn't hurt, so yes HSPA data is very welcome and by all means do put a proper GPS chip and navigation app in this time. But I don't see myself abandoning a perfectly good Lumix with decent controls, optics and sensor (for its size) in favour of a phone-type camera. My modem also includes a 3.2Mpixel camera but I never use it. |
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What about the thickness of the device did you feel like your holding a small but fat stapler? I think my N810 is too heavy and it requires two hands, could you use this device to surf with one hand (so you can steer your car on the freeway with the other?:D)
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Does the SDK have multitouch? At least that is an indicator if the device itself (the hardware) will have (one day) multitouch. |
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If you compare it to the photos we saw recently, what do you say? Is it similar in terms of keyboard layout, hardware buttons, overall look&feel? Or do you remember differences? |
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