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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 303820)

So it is not true that a 'netbook sucks' or 'smartphone is better than laptop'. All utter nonsense. It depends on how you are able to take advantage of the combination of software, hardware, and service provided by the end product. It is also not true there is no demand for both laptops, desktops, smartphones, netbooks, and so on because each device has its unique advantages in certain situations.

Whomever said that netbooks "sucks"? I personally won't buy one until they have compelling features above my NIT or my laptop. However, I'm not the netbook target audience either. So things like Moblin, Android on netbooks, WinCE/WinMo don't exactly entice me yet. Yet... but that's my personal feelings.

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What will decide popularity and success is many things. Brand recognition (both Nokia and Google have this), time to market, stability and ease of use, word to word marketing. Not necessarily the best product becomes the most popular or defacto standard.

I agree totally here. Would add functionality and added features that the users either want or don't know they want yet would seal the deal.

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But Nokia does not look confused.

We're going to have to disagree here. Take a look around at how many dead ends they're going to have between Fremantle and Harmattan alone... all in the name of progress, they're dropping support left and right for things that are in use right now without (yet known) rhyme nor reason. Perhaps it'll all make sense in the near future... I'll be patient. But as it stands, my opinion is that Nokia looks confused.

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They go on with making devices for specific purposes (Nokia phones) where hardware is optimized for specific markets. Meanwhile they open source Symbian and switch to Qt, while using Linux and open source ecosystems to build upon. They will continue to build many Nokia devices each made for specific purposes (optimization) but want to use underlying standards to make software ecosystem easier to manage and allow community support after device is EOL. So then users will be able to use a device like N95 (former flagship; still good device, but getting old) with up2date 3rd party firmware instead of stuck with older firmware. This increases customer satisfaction, and Nokia still sells their hardware becuae their hardware 1) is specialized 2) gets better.

I can't disagree with this at all. Very good points... thanks for taking the time to eloquently state them.

Re: Google announces chrome OS. This is real big!

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Originally Posted by luca (Post 303832)

I left the original distro that it came with in an unused partition and installed mandriva and it works really well, so it's not limited in function.

By limited, I mean that I won't be running Photoshop or Maya on a netbook. Sorry about not being specific...

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Suspend to ram works pretty well, resuming is a matter of seconds.
A full boot doesn't take that long either (88 seconds from flipping the switch to a fully booted kde4 desktop).

Agree. But for long, long trips, I'd rather power down, power up instead. Not interested in "uptime" bragging rights nor sleep function(s).

Re: Google announces chrome OS. This is real big!

IMO, if it has a local runtime (not necessarily native, could be Java, or even just using a desktop version of Dalvik (the android runtime)), then it'll have a chance. If not, then not. The other thing I think it will _require_ for success is instant-on/spashtop functionality (blindingly fast boot, ability to hand off to other OSes, or even start them "in the background", or integrate with starting VMware or something). It'll also probably need to have wireless data support (HSPA, EVDO, WiMAX).

If it has those two things, and works on a convertible tablet netbook (like the Eee T90 or T101) then I'd be interested. Chrome OS with Dalvik on a T101 while on the go, and then Ubuntu when I need to do real work.

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Anyone see this: http://www.liliputing.com/2009/07/th...ng-system.html

Check out the videos

Yowza!

Re: Google announces chrome OS. This is real big!

i would love to see a phone/mid/nit/whatever that could hook to a screen, and jump between android phone interface and that, quickly :D

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 307662)

Anyone see this: http://www.liliputing.com/2009/07/th...ng-system.html

Check out the videos

Yowza!

Nice. :)

Tim

Re: Google announces chrome OS. This is real big!

It doesn't really fix my concerns about Android (the non-full/real browser being the biggest -- if I can't do real Gmail and real Reader on my netbook or desktop, then what's the point?). A netbook or desktop oriented version of Android will need a new browser.

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err, its webkit, no? i dont see why i should not be able to do gmail and reader (unless google wants one to use some included apps that is).

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 307780)

err, its webkit, no? i dont see why i should not be able to do gmail and reader (unless google wants one to use some included apps that is).

You can go to the site, but it's clear that Google takes the browser id and uses a special android oriented version of the google apps.

It's very much like iPhone oriented mobile sites. The Google Reader site does the same "show 15 entries, don't allow keyboard short cuts, don't allow adding/removing tags" and all of that that the do with their "mobile" editions of applications. Only, instead of having to use a number pad for navigating Reader, it gives you a finger friendly version. The browser version of Gmail is also, similarly, not "the full desktop version" (it's also not the same as the built-in Gmail application, oddly).

So it's like there's 3 editions of Google applications:

1) Full/Real Google Apps (what you see from desktop browsers like Firefox, IE, Safari ... and microb)
2) Mobile Google Apps (what you see on WAP browsers, Opera Mobile, etc.)
3) Android/iPhone Google Apps (Mobile + Finger GUI)

I have no doubt that the browser is _capable_ of doing real Gmail... I'm just saying, that's not the content it's being given.

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any link that would enable the user to switch to the "desktop browser", if one so wanted?

and if the thundersoft setup takes of, and/or android shows up on smartbooks or other places with more regularity, it should be relatively easy for google to implement such a switch.

that this is a way right now, do not mean it has to be so for all eternity. just ask RIAA or MPAA ;)

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Yeah, I don't think it's a tough hurdle to jump ... but it's a hurdle that definitely needs to be jumped. That's all I'm saying :-)

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And, the funny thing for me would be if someone ported the actual Chrome browser to Android (the Android browser is not Chrome -- they're both webkit based, but they're not the same package). Then you could probably have the best of both worlds.

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thats mostly a interface issue, no?

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Well, backend too - the android one is framebuffer-based.

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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 302947)

"computers need to get better. People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files. Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates."
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/...chrome-os.html

I'm sure you know that you can create apps in any language, but it's easier to develop in some vs. others. Additionally, if you want a better look at Chrome's abilities look at 'Google I/O' presentations on Youtube. They have hardware accelerated graphics, etc. Looks great, but how they're gonna compete with MSFT is more interesting. Personally, I think they're gonna win this next frontier of corporate warfare: Domination of the 'Corporate Cloud'.

This is interesting because this is based on the web-cloud as data and app storage - easier installations, no more service packs. I'm sure users will love the experience.

Now the question is what are the development languages for Web?
* JavaScript and Ajax, Python, what else? Java?
C++ is not, or am I missing somethig?

Google is trying to get Chrome to run native x86 code => Google: native-client

They're spending some hundreds of millions (? Can't find the article now) of dollars getting businesses to switch over to Google Apps. Washington D.C. is their flagship customer. Microsoft is spends a few billion annually keeping their biz partners happy.

Basically, this is a way for Google to quickly get people to start adopting their 'cloud' to store data/run apps. The future Google wants to see is one where everyone is storing data onto their servers be it emails, documents, etc. They have the political clout to get app developers to develop on their 'OS'. It's really a browser bundled with an OS, the browser is really so the next "3 billion" people who don't have Internet will be exposed to Google services.

Android is interesting with this whole thing, but Google doesn't have enough interest in it as it's a loss leader. They make no money off it. I think Chrome is particularly interesting in their Global Domination strategy, they're in a similar position MSFT was when they were shipping '95.

Just my 2 cents. I really need to write this down on my blog.