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What if instead of using directional keys that Nokia took a page from what Palm did with the Pre and made a gesture area that supports directional-pad like movements, and can be combined with the accelerometer to do even more "physics-bending" movements with the device. Would that make half of you (those that want a physical directional pad) happy?
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@danramos: it's what COST them in parts per unit. How much higher they would SELL with the addition of said parts, is a different matter :D
Sure, there's the additional cost of integration, firmware\software development and whatnot.. |
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@danramos: think there's a big enough market for a cellular-less tablet to sustain its lifecycle on its own?
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If the HSPA capability is useless to you, ignore it. Evaluate the device on everything which does matter to you and see if it's worth the asking price. If not, shrug your shoulders and move on. If you're "right" (in the sense of the market), Nokia'll learn and adapt to meet the market requirements. If the price point - when it's known - is too high for the features you want, buy another device such as a SmartQ 5 or a new, discount, N810. From what I can see, RX-51 is going to outsell any individual previous tablet model - and, if we're really lucky as a community - it'll outsell all the previous tablet models combined. This'll have two advantages:
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@cruelkix: we'll have to see how well nokia can rally the content providers for it.
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hp seemed to think there was a large enough market for dedicated pda's to make the 110 and 210 series of products...
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Then there's the previous generation. I didn't see fit to go from the N800 to the N810--but if I don't like this painfully expensive appendix I'd rather not have to pay for, you want me to just buy an N810? You're talking about the one that Nokia no longer maintains, right? The one that shares all the same problems with my N800 of a lack of parts, support and everything that goes along with being the last generation to boot? If this new device fails to do well--will Nokia just drop the whole line and just concentrate on their phones (which I will never buy given my experience with their support in general) or will they indeed go ahead and actually change their products to suit what the customers actually want? Is it so hard for Nokia to actually make the offending radio a seperate module you could insert into the back like the SD cards do now--you could go out and buy your supposedly $15-$25 radio, if you so chose.. and the rest of us could happily have the same device we invested into all along the way to this point. Near a I can tell, this thing isn't a tablet.. it's a smartphone. Call it what it is. Stop pretending it's in the same field as a general purpose device like a MID or the previous tablets. By that token, I'm still disappointed that Nokia hasn't released a new tablet that I can upgrade from my N800 to. (Sorry.. but N800 to N810 isn't an upgrade.) |
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If you want modular; go to Bug Labs. If you want a MID, buy a MID. If you want a high-end Maemo device and RX-51 meets your requirements: buy it. If you want the hardware of a SmartQ 5, but you love Maemo, support Mer. Options is one thing you're not short of, and no-one is forcing you do to anything. Quote:
This could get Maemo mentioned in the same articles as iPhone, Android and webOS. Hell, new apps for Fremantle will - on the whole - end up running on Mer, which'll run on existing N8x0s. Quote:
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@danramos: You pointed it out very clearly in your last post... RX-51 is not a table, but a smartphone.
Now, isn't it contradictory that you demand that Nokia pulls the GSM radio out of their new smartphone, yet to be announced....? I guess that you are in fact asking for a quick launch of their RX-71 instead.. I think the strategy is there, and the plan is very good, IMO. Launch a new smartphone based on Maemo for the general public and generate a wide user base. Then launch the MID and benefit from the multiple sinergies. Plus, the Ovi store is getting ready for Maemo, so is Maps and other services... This has been in the works for over a year, I don't think that Nokia is going to piss any previous Maemo customer off. It is just that It's not ready yet for launch. Are there any rumours about RX-71's hardware, BTW? I bet It will be a real monster... :) |
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PS: I highly doubt that the new Maemo device will fail to sell well, even the 5800 has had big success in several european countries as some have said here... :)
The RX-51 will be a big success and the RX-71 will launch a mere three-six months away from it, that's my "prediction". 5800-N97 combo worked well with such timing.. |
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I know some of you don't like to hear that repeated, but I think there's also some of us that hoped Nokia would do something Internet-Tabletty--not cell-phoney. The maemo platform itself is quite fine and I'm increasingly happier with what the maemo group is doing. Don't mistake my disappointment for Nokia as disappointment for maemo. |
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Has Nokia been known for locking people into a contract with a carrier? I don't know, I'm not from the US and I've never owned a mobile phone. But my impression from reading the comments on this forum is that Nokia doesn't tend to play that game (and some people here say that it has hurt sales in the US)...
It seems to me that a Linux phone would be even less likely to be locked-in than a closed OS system, especially if the whole telephony stack is open, from the modem driver upwards. Looks like the UI is the only thing that won't be open, but we know that from the SDK. http://qole.org/images/oFono-architecture.png Again, I'm no expert here, and someone will probably point out that it is easy to lock down a phone even when everything is GPL like that... It just doesn't seem likely that they're going to be locking anything down, considering the direction Nokia is going with Maemo. |
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Though there is an FCC investigation but I don't know if it'll change anything.
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I think all these kinds of tying arrangements are inherently anti-competitive. How can a small carrier compete? Just by virtue of its not being big, companies like AT&T and Apple (or Verizon and RIM, or ...) can make deals that exclude the small carrier. The small carrier ought to be able to compete head-to-head with AT&T on what they actually offer, on a piece by piece basis. All the carriers ought to be forced to offer a pure pipe, varying if they want on how much bandwidth is used; then they can all go head-to-head. Not forcing that on the carriers is inevitably bad for the consumers. Likewise allowing the carriers to force more than just pipe access on the consumers is anti-competitive.
If you had real Adam Smith capitalism, with hundreds of carriers, then some carrier would independently decide to offer a pure pipe as a means to compete against the ones who don't. But with only several carriers, there's an oligopoly and none of them find it worthwhile to compete that way, even if it's what customers most want. Instead they differentiate themselves by choosing what combination of crap they force on the consumers, and they make believe that's real competition. For many years, the American system generally has shown no interest in interfering with oligopolistic/monopolistic behavior, but it hasn't been so bad for a hundred years as it was under Bush. The current Supreme Court tilts pro-monopoly, too. Maybe under Obama things will get better. It's a better FCC for one thing. We can hope (with more reason than we had a year ago for hoping). |
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Great post from Ryan of Ars: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...o-5-device.ars
I hope he attends the summit again this year. |
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Sometimes, just sometimes, the attitudes here bewilder me...
...people ask for better tablets, then complain when features are added in. ...people ask for standarization and better tools, then complain when the old stuff that can't work with the new tools aren't supported. ...people ask for a device to do more, cost less, and use fewer resources, but... ...just sometimes, I feel like when I come here, the psychology of the user base undermines the intentions of the users to actually see that they are getting what they want. --- Again, there's nothing in Nokia's history with locked/unlocked devices that stipulates that they will offer this device only in a locked condition in all of the regions that it will be sold. I'd recommend reading the FCC filing again for the RX-51, and considering, just for a moment, that you might have more options for purchasing this than you think. |
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I'm completely the opposite of some people. A tablet is useless to me unless it has a 3G radio in it. I seriously WANT a Zune HD but I may just end up skipping it in favor of the rx-51 just because it has 3G.
I mean seriously, there's no reason NOT to want a 3G radio in this thing. It replaces everything in my pocket: tablet, phone, mp3 player, gps. This is PERFECT. And you can NEVER know that you'll NEVER use it. You may have a change of heart in as little as 2 weeks and crave that radio in it for some reason. I pay extra for things that I think might come in useful, even if I doubt I'll use it. |
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My personal experience with Nokia handsets in Spain is that they have always sold them unlocked first, then subsidized through one or more carriers (those are SIM locked, except those offered by Orange).
I have always purchased them unlocked but only because I wanted to have them soon after launch, but then again you pay a premium and also It will cost a lot less a couple of months later.. AFAIR, Nokia has never played such silly game here. |
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and thats why i "love" the usa == world that seems to be the norm in this forum...
still, i would love to see a phone-less device myself, as i have a perfectly fine phone already. |
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Three things:
a) I have an S60 phone and I must say that if that is all Symbian can offer Symbian is already death. (have not seen N97 running). The system is unresponsive. I don't blame it. It's been a long road for symbian and it never had an older brother to help it improve multitasking like windows or linux for desktops and servers. So that means Nokia NEEDS Maemo to run in a phone. At least one. b) The problem is always the same. Maemo should run in two very diferent devices. One of them is a N97 sized tablet so you can carry it around with all your best software on it. If that has a phone it is ok for me (in fact I prefer that to have a phone). So RX-51 is a great step in that direction. Then, there is another device, that can be as big as an small kindle, that connects wiressly to the phone and let you make all things you'll do with it but without taking it away from your pocket. That device don't need to have any phone capability (like N810) yet it should extensively use bluetooth to work with the phone so well you simply forget it is not a phone. A little bit like what happens with 3G Internet connection in N810. Once you paired N8X0 with a phone it actually has 3G internet built in. It becomes easy, fast, and transparent as if it had a SIM on it. That device should have a much bigger screen, loud speakers, nice integrated keyboard, ... Much more portable than a Netbook and usable as a phone, as a PIM and as an Internet Tablet. 3) If RX-51 is going to have phone capabilities that means it is going to have a good integrated PIM. Hope they build it having very clear that that PIM should work seamesly as a SIM phone and as a virtual phone attached to your real phone using the protocols we alreardy have: bluetooth headsets, headphones, bluetooth PIM, bluetooth data, ... |
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SIM locks are only half the story. Subsidised handsets also tend to have useful features crippled (UK example, or google for a seemingly infinite number of stories about crippled bluetooth in the US) if they don't quite match the operators' revenue models.
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