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nowave7 2009-08-28 14:10

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Prices are by no means equal even throughout Europe, let alone the US. I got my N810 from US, just because it was say 130 euros cheaper than it was in Germany, and some 200 euros cheaper than it was in Serbia. You can see this even now, with ordinary Nokia phones:
For example Nokia E71 costs 340€ in Germany, but only 310$ in the US?!
I could never understand that... :(

benny1967 2009-08-28 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 317182)
There is no bluetooth DUN or PAN. That's kind of major flaw for a phone. I know that it's not too hard to make community support for this, but it should be there out of box for >500EUR phone.

oh ... :(

so does that mean you cannot use the N900 as a BT-modem for your old N810?

or that you cannot tether it to another BT enabled phone if you decide to use it without a SIM card?

or both?

yerga 2009-08-28 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 317182)
There is no bluetooth DUN or PAN. That's kind of major flaw for a phone. I know that it's not too hard to make community support for this, but it should be there out of box for >500EUR phone.

Are you sure?
DUN has its own component in the Connectivity product in bugzilla.
And bluez has "--enable-pand" (and --enable-dund) in the build options, and AFAIK in Diablo it doesn't.

penguinbait 2009-08-28 14:43

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Connectivity
Bluetooth: 2.1 (A2DP / AVRCP / DUN / HFP / HSP / OPP)

mikkov 2009-08-28 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 317201)
Are you sure?
DUN has its own component in the Connectivity product in bugzilla.
And bluez has "--enable-pand" (and --enable-dund) in the build options, and AFAIK in Diablo it doesn't.

Of course I can't be 100% sure until I see it myself. But DUN or PAN is not mentioned in specs.

From http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N900
Quote:

Bluetooth Profiles: A2DP, AVRCP, FTP, HFP, HSP, OPP
Maemo4 had DUN support so that's why it's in bugzilla. Bluez has the support, that's not the question. But if it's enabled AND if there's a GUI to use it, that's the question.

mikkov 2009-08-28 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 317222)
Connectivity
Bluetooth: 2.1 (A2DP / AVRCP / DUN / HFP / HSP / OPP)

Where did you get that?

ikarizdat 2009-08-28 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by choubbi (Post 317175)
Comment :
I remember the N810 was at 500€ (Ok, 499€) in France when it first was out. That sucked since that was the highest price in all Europe, and that was the reason I bought a QWERTY version on eBay instead.

I even found a proof of that : here

I didn't remember it was such a high price, but it seems you're right. I got the price from the release announcement, which said 449 euros. It doesn't change the general increasing tendency, though.

As for the N900, I don't believe the French price will be under the German one. I bet for 649 euros, as mentionned on most French sites.

penguinbait 2009-08-28 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 317227)
Where did you get that?

Actually I got that from here
http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/nokia/n900.html

But the Nokia site shows
http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...s#hardware-con

# Bluetooth version 2.1
# Bluetooth profiles: HFP, HSP, A2DP, AVRCP, FTP, OPP

Thats not good at all. :(

qole 2009-08-28 16:03

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 317001)
Please, don't believe the pages where is said that the email client is Nokia Messaging, it isn't. The email client is Modest, the same Diablo client but with bugfixes, new features, and new UI (and surely new bugs). It supports POP, SMTP and IMAP.

...and I'm sure some of the old bugs are still around, too!

allnameswereout 2009-08-28 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 316847)
on e71 the integrated email client that does direct imap is crap. the one from email.nokia.com is a very nice client but they only let you use that through the service. i am pretty sure this is the same situation with other models

Why is crap, why is nice? I find the integrated good, but the addon was buggy. And I don't like.

quipper8 2009-08-28 16:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 317302)
Why is crap, why is nice? I find the integrated good, but the addon was buggy. And I don't like.

The integrated app crap:

txt only display is poor, not much graphic delineation in message list view or message view

deleting message, you must wait for it to delete on server before doing anything else with an un-dismissable dialog and when deleting a message over edge it can take a while

the retrieval and auto retrieval settings don't really work and get 'lost'

Your email gets intermingled with your sms and not in a good kind of contact centric way like some clients do now

I am sure there are some other things that led me to think it is crap, but I have not used it in quite a while

sevla 2009-08-28 16:49

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I have a gripe and I wonder if anyone else noticed this.. In one of the marketing video's the user had Google Talk open and to call the person they had to get out of google talk and go to the desktop and clicked a contact widget. I think you should be able to just click on the person's picture in Google Talk and it should bring up there contact info. Wouldn't that make more sense?

shadowjk 2009-08-28 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matan (Post 316762)

Is the processor really guaranteed to work at more thatn 600MHz? It can certainly not come close to double that. Reports I read from Pandora developers are that not all chips are even stable at 900MHz.

I have a vague memory of reading a TI spec on the omap3 chip used in BeagleBoard, iirc the CPU expected lifetime is significantly reduced already at 600MHz compared to 500MHz. I dont remember exactly, but it could've been factor of 10 difference... Still long enough to last us until the next generation of devices, though :)

Speculating, At 800-900 I imagine the expected lifetime could be too short for nokia to be comfortable a significant amount wouldn't fail within the standard 2 year warranty.

allnameswereout 2009-08-28 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 317310)
txt only display is poor, not much graphic delineation in message list view or message view

True, but you see more messages in list. That is a sacrifice to be made. The font used is hegemonic with the rest of the device; in contrast to Nokia Messaging. Nokia Messaging, like Modest, shows more details of the messages at the expense of number of messages shown.

Quote:

Your email gets intermingled with your sms and not in a good kind of contact centric way like some clients do now
Actually I love how its easy to browse through e-mail and SMS and such on E71, and integrate both in your contacts, giving you choice. Entirely different interfaces for applications on same device which do roughly the same is not a good thing.

In contrast, Nokia Messaging would never retrieve new e-mail. First it gotten my last 9 e-mail. But after that it went poof. I could press Sync a thousand times. Nothing happened. While I had new e-mail all the time. But its OK, I didn't like the interface too much, because it was not fast enough to use like previous default SMS/e-mail interface. (EPOC I think it called.)

phi 2009-08-28 20:36

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My gripe, looking at the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE&NR=1 , since the screen is resistive, I'll have to be browsing with my finger nail rather than my finger tip.

Paxicide 2009-08-28 20:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phi (Post 317527)
My gripe, looking at the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE&NR=1 , since the screen is resistive, I'll have to be browsing with my finger nail rather than my finger tip.


Why?? The N810 is resistive and I have very short nails and it works fine....:D Just use your finger tips;)

pelago 2009-08-28 20:56

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 317325)
I have a gripe and I wonder if anyone else noticed this.. In one of the marketing video's the user had Google Talk open and to call the person they had to get out of google talk and go to the desktop and clicked a contact widget. I think you should be able to just click on the person's picture in Google Talk and it should bring up there contact info. Wouldn't that make more sense?

Yes I noticed that and thought that strange. It would be even worse if the contact wasn't directly on your desktop and you had to search for them through the contacts list. Hopefully there will be a shortcut in the Conversations app to link directly to the contact.

kanishou 2009-08-31 12:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 317068)
The second mode allows for cursor positioning without passing a "click" through to the web page. The simplest use for this would be to activate mouse-over controls, but it's for all web applications that expect a user to be able to move the cursor without a button-down, button-up. At their Maemo Summit 2008 session, Andrey Petrov and timeless announced the Fremantle the browser would support switching between two user-interaction states like this. At the time, they didn't yet know if the switch would be accomplished via a hardware button or on-screen control though.

Also, for text selection. Less error-prone than the double-tap-to-select feature.

Edit: Actually I read that wrong. This is not quite correct, the cursor mode is simply for interacting with a website (instead of panning).

JayOnThaBeat 2009-08-31 18:08

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You know what really grinds my gears??? :D

NO D-PAD!!!!!!!!!!

qwerty12 2009-08-31 18:13

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
The arrow buttons are certainly an improvement over the crap they put on the N810. It still makes me sad when I look at the D-Pad on my N800, and then look at the one on my N810.

Khertan 2009-08-31 18:23

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The french store have it for 599 Euros.

Of course out of stock :)

kenny 2009-09-01 00:25

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 317254)
Actually I got that from here
http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/nokia/n900.html

But the Nokia site shows
http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...s#hardware-con

# Bluetooth version 2.1
# Bluetooth profiles: HFP, HSP, A2DP, AVRCP, FTP, OPP

Thats not good at all. :(

Whoa, an N-series device without DUN? Is this a first? Without checking, it seems very rare. Quite unlike Nokia to cripple a feature like this. What's the story here?
.

Tabster 2009-09-01 01:22

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
I have had my N810 for quite a while now. Does anyone know if there is a newer version coming out that I can spend my money on?

I really like the Internet Tablet device. I can take it with me when I want, I can leave it home when I don't need it, I can listen to music, browse the web, read RSS, read a book while at home/on a train/at soccer practice.

Did I say I can leave it home when I don't need it or want to protect it from damage? But still take my small cell phone with me all the time :)

This N900 device is not a replacement to the N810. I hope there will be one someday...

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-01 01:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tabster (Post 319218)
I have had my N810 for quite a while now. Does anyone know if there is a newer version coming out that I can spend my money on?

I really like the Internet Tablet device. I can take it with me when I want, I can leave it home when I don't need it, I can listen to music, browse the web, read RSS, read a book while at home/on a train/at soccer practice.

Did I say I can leave it home when I don't need it or want to protect it from damage? But still take my small cell phone with me all the time :)

I felt the vibe that there was something clever / sarcastic / (witty?) implied there, I just can't put my finger on it.... maybe edit it, underlining the clever part... or footnotes, perhaps...

DId I say footnotes? Or maybe highlight the (funny?) part in red :)

tso 2009-09-01 02:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgon (Post 316795)
On, and we finally see threaded SMS for those that think this is important. ;)

iirc, nokia feature phones did that years ago...

mullf 2009-09-01 02:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 316763)
No Hard Cover!

I was promised a magnifying glass attachment that doubled as a hard case!!!! ;)

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-01 02:15

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mullf (Post 319248)
I was promised a magnifying glass attachment that doubled as a hard case!!!! ;)

ala GameBoy?
http://www.retro-gameshop.nl/gameboy...oyspeakers.jpg

Although I don't remember the speakers being there when I had one....

munky261 2009-09-01 03:21

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Holy crap!!! I used to have that thing!! LOL

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-01 03:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 319275)
Holy crap!!! I used to have that thing!! LOL

With the speakers?

I had the magnifying light thing, but that seems like a juiced-up version....

pelago 2009-09-01 11:35

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
There were lots of different versions by different third-party suppliers. There was no official Nintendo version.

choubbi 2009-09-01 13:26

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Khertan (Post 319007)
The french store have it for 599 Euros.

Of course out of stock :)

Now for 649€ in the French store...

deadmalc 2009-09-01 13:34

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Well it's better than the UK store :-(

http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/sea...x?keyword=n900

Alan_Peery 2009-09-01 17:39

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 316838)
If you don't know what double-tap is, watch qgil's demo video again. It's quickly shown before the swirling zoom.

When I looked, I saw a double-click-to-focus that focused on the wrong thing. I imagine it must be a trick of the filming, because choosing the right part of the DOM model of the page is reasonably well researched. For instance, the YARIP extension to FireFox understands how to do it...

zerojay 2009-09-01 17:53

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
My one gripe: it's not already in my hands!

danramos 2009-09-01 18:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 319450)
There were lots of different versions by different third-party suppliers. There was no official Nintendo version.

Nice that there was some third party support.. and replacement parts.. and upgrades.. and, man---I weep about the way Nokia has handled the Tablets sometimes.

allnameswereout 2009-09-01 18:14

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
600 EUR in NL. Should have a standard QWERTY keyboard.

(Still CC only)

sjgadsby 2009-09-01 18:42

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 319636)
Nice that there was some third party support.. and replacement parts.. and upgrades.. and, man---I weep about the way Nokia has handled the Tablets sometimes.

Third party accessories appear when a product is big enough to warrant them. Most Nintendo gaming systems have achieved that level of success. Nokia phones regularly achieve that level of success. The tablets saw screen protectors, automotive mounts, and cases, but never grew large enough to spark an explosion of accessories.

You can fault Nokia for not advertising the tablets, though that appears to have been by deliberate design, but it's not as though they actively prevented other companies from producing accessories.

As for NOA's repair service during the era of the original Game Boy, I wasn't overly impressed. When our NES died, we had to drive two hours the nearest authorized repair drop-off point--a kiosk in a mall--and return a few weeks later when the repair was finished. My last name and old address are still scrawled in black marker on the bottom of both controllers and the console itself, as the kiosk employee warned us that Nintendo often lost units otherwise.

pycage 2009-09-01 19:05

Re: n900 gripe thread
 
The Fremantle SDK looks like crap and feels like crap. I wonder how Nokia wants to attract lots of developers with such an ugly, partially inverse-colored, and sluggish SDK.

danramos 2009-09-01 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 319668)
Third party accessories appear when a product is big enough to warrant them. Most Nintendo gaming systems have achieved that level of success. Nokia phones regularly achieve that level of success. The tablets saw screen protectors, automotive mounts, and cases, but never grew large enough to spark an explosion of accessories.

You can fault Nokia for not advertising the tablets, though that appears to have been by deliberate design, but it's not as though they actively prevented other companies from producing accessories.

As for NOA's repair service during the era of the original Game Boy, I wasn't overly impressed. When our NES died, we had to drive two hours the nearest authorized repair drop-off point--a kiosk in a mall--and return a few weeks later when the repair was finished. My last name and old address are still scrawled in black marker on the bottom of both controllers and the console itself, as the kiosk employee warned us that Nintendo often lost units otherwise.

Meanwhile, if I want to get my tablet fixed, I have to mail it somewhere else in the world and be without it for well over a month and HOPE that someone will mail it back to me.

I'd rather at LEAST have a kiosk in a mall with a receipt showing that I'd dropped it off in case I never saw it again. :P

tso 2009-09-01 19:59

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or have it returned unfixed because your in the wrong part of the world vs where it was supposed to be sold...


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