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JD2010 2009-11-03 13:47

Re: N900 in Canada (Toronto)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R-R (Post 364068)
Yeah, but since Wind got "delayed" (Killed?) by the CRTC, at least we may be able to deal with Videotron's 3G (AWS) in Montreal sooner than the rest of Canada (Hopefully, though Vidéotron are a bunch of ... I'll let you guess what :P )

Have you bought a N900? With who do you plan to use before videotron get 3g 1700. I don't think Rogers bought 1700 mgz as we can see here completly at the bothom you see who as what for frequency. I wonder if we it is possible to change the frequency of the phone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900

JD2010 2009-11-03 17:41

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Hi every one from Canada.

After doing some researche on that mather I found that Rogers Canada offer the 2100 for 3G and it has been confirm with them with the department of data has of today. They do that frequency by their Fido network that is the same network or Rogers. So youpi will be abble to use the 3G for the N900!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_cam3.shtml

EIPI 2009-11-03 17:46

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@JD2010 - I am sorry, but I do not understand your post. I am currently operating a N900 on Fido, and the fastest I get is EDGE speeds since to my knowledge, they are not operating on the correct data frequencies for the N900. Are you saying that Rogers has confirmed that they will support the correct 3G frequencies for the N900 soon?

R-R 2009-11-03 17:56

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All the actual major players (Telus, Bell, Rogers, ...) have bought AWS spectrum in the auction last year: http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...g/sf09001.html

The thing is they have not announced any plans to use them yet...
Also, I'm not sure that using 2100 Mhz actually guarantees any compatibility as AWS uses 2 channels, 1 for up and 1 for down if my understanding is correct (but this really is an acronym soup!).

As for me, I'll use it with my 15$ a month fido account, I don't really care for 3G for now or even EDGE, I can get wifi access almost anywhere i'll need it.

Die telcos, die! :P

JD2010 2009-11-03 18:01

Re: N900 in Canada (Toronto)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 364656)
@JD2010 - I am sorry, but I do not understand your post. I am currently operating a N900 on Fido, and the fastest I get is EDGE speeds since to my knowledge, they are not operating on the correct data frequencies for the N900. Are you saying that Rogers has confirmed that they will support the correct 3G frequencies for the N900 soon?

You already have a N900 when they are not out?

Rogers data support told me they have the 2100 frequency wich is in the spec of the N900 so it should work.
WCDMA 900/1700/2100. Maximum speed PS up to 384/384 kbps (DL/UL)

qole 2009-11-03 18:27

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JD2010, I can confirm what EIPI wrote. Rogers / Fido can currently only provide EDGE speeds (2.5G) to the N900.

DaKing 2009-11-03 18:28

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Does anyone know where i can pre-order N900 to Canada montreal ? and when its expected to released same at USA ?

R-R 2009-11-03 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKing (Post 364694)
Does anyone know where i can pre-order N900 to Canada montreal ? and when its expected to released same at USA ?

Check this thread and other "Canada" Thread (search) as many find different solutions.
As for myself in MTL I'm ordering fro MobileCityOnline who are hopefully getting them by November 20.

DaKing 2009-11-03 18:35

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ok i will man thanks

JD2010 2009-11-03 18:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 364693)
JD2010, I can confirm what EIPI wrote. Rogers / Fido can currently only provide EDGE speeds (2.5G) to the N900.

How come if Rogers have the 2100 3g frequency it wont work has it said in the spec of the N900 it say that 3G spec is 2100?

DaKing 2009-11-03 23:30

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man just one question for the mobilecity how can i choose it to be shipped to canda ? and can i receive it in 1 day shipment ? thanks

R-R 2009-11-04 03:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKing (Post 364907)
man just one question for the mobilecity how can i choose it to be shipped to canda ? and can i receive it in 1 day shipment ? thanks

After getting it from here ignore the first question about shipping and keep clicking proceed to checkout until you get the American/Canadian shipping (country) question. Should be the 2nd :-)

DaKing 2009-11-04 22:12

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ok man thanks so much :) :)

JD2010 2009-11-05 01:55

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Question if the NEw Rogers 2100 mgz 3g band is 5 cities should the 3G on the N900 work for those cities? why not?

http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/09/14/vi...-announcement/

TenSpeed 2009-11-05 02:17

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Unless I'm mistaken, Rogers still only uses the 850/1900 bands for their 3G system. Some of their devices do support 2100 (such as the "ZTE MF 668 device" mentioned in JD2010's link), but that's only for international roaming, not for use on the Rogers network. So no, the N900 can not use 3G on any of the current 3G networks in Canada.

This all could change if Vidéotron, DAVE, Wind, or some other player actually launches an AWS network, or if Rogers/Telus/Bell start using their recently purchased 1700 spectrum, but there have been no announcements so far. I suspect we will see the "N920" or even a Maemo 6 device before this is truly resolved. Not that Nokia's even willing to sell the N900 in Canada, of course...

R-R 2009-11-05 05:05

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Does AWS absolutely requires that Up/Down be seperated over 2 frequencies though?

And can it be in any order with any up/down ?

1700/2100 being different from 2100/1700...

EIPI 2009-11-05 12:56

Re: N900 in Canada (Toronto)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R-R (Post 366015)
Does AWS absolutely requires that Up/Down be seperated over 2 frequencies though?

And can it be in any order with any up/down ?

1700/2100 being different from 2100/1700...

Yes, you need two, one for up and one for down.

patelraj 2009-11-05 14:58

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Sorry, but I'm kind of new to this and would like to use the N900 here in Canada.

Does anyone know what type of speeds the N900 will perform with WiFi as there will be no 3G service here in Canada?

Will WiFi be similar to 3G?

Thank you

qole 2009-11-05 17:52

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paterlraj: WiFi works great on the N900. I get great download speeds when I'm on WiFi. Internet Radio and Skype sound great on WiFi.

EDGE (2.5G) on the N900 works, but it is similar in speed to a 56k modem.

TenSpeed 2009-11-05 18:27

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For anyone who's still wondering where AWS spectrum fits in to the bigger picture, have a look at the Phone Scoop article, "A Visual Guide to AWS".

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/a...hp?a=99&p=1493

It's written specifically about the USA market, but the frequencies and technology are essentially the same in Canada.

R-R 2009-11-05 20:42

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http://www.dealcatcher.com/phones-ce...hone-pre-order

This kind of deal really pisses me off as a Canadian... Why don't they ship here !?!:mad:

Fargus 2009-11-05 20:47

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Sorry for a bit off topic guys but this seemed to be the assembled experts to ask...

I like spending time in Whistler & Vancouver but will be roaming as coming from the UK. Am I correct in thinking that I will only get 2.5G (EDGE) cover in BC on the N900?

TenSpeed 2009-11-05 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 366699)
I like spending time in Whistler & Vancouver but will be roaming as coming from the UK. Am I correct in thinking that I will only get 2.5G (EDGE) cover in BC on the N900?

Yes, you are correct, EDGE is the best you will find. That said, you should be able to find WiFi in a lot of places, and generally for free. Happy travels!

EDIT: Boingo has WiFi hotspots in Whistler (9) and Vancouver (150+). Mobile access is $7.95/month for all of their spots, which number over 100k around the world. Not a bad option for roaming, if it fits your user needs. http://www.boingo.com/

t301 2009-11-06 06:55

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I am planning to buy N900 from Finland where i am living. But i am planning to go work to Vancouver. Tickets is all ready ordered.

Do N900 work whit Virgin mobile prepaid? I have understood that there is no 3G but edge work.

Esko

qole 2009-11-07 03:23

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t301, can I switch with you? I live in Vancouver but I'd like to work in Finland :)

Virgin Mobile is a subsidiary of Bell mobility, which doesn't have EDGE.

If you want data on the N900, you need to sign up with Fido or Rogers. :(

t301 2009-11-07 06:07

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Thanks

Look like this Rogers prepaid is ok. Prices are little salty and terms difficult to understand. Is there any operator what give you use phone as modem?

Do i have to buy phone when i take prepaid or can i us own phone. I don't find terms.


qole:
If you like forest work :D

This is more like practice work in Vancouver. Only 3 month. It have been long time dream to get in BC.

qole 2009-11-07 18:51

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I don't think you can do prepaid with data on Rogers / Fido.

I suggest the no-contract monthly plan on Fido with the 500MB data add-on. It isn't cheap, but it is cheaper than Rogers.

Fido is the discount branch of Rogers. They don't charge the silly extra fees, and they charge by the second, not the minute.

TenSpeed 2009-11-07 20:30

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I'd suggest you wait until just before you come to Canada, and then choose a network. Both Bell and Telus turned on their HSPA networks this past week (Wednesday & Thursday, respectively), so there is a chance you'll be able to do prepaid on one of their networks in the near future. In fact, I'd be very surprised if it's not available in Vancouver soon, in preparation for the 2010 Winter Olympics. The visiting tourists will expect a real mobile network, not the junk that Canadians have had to put up with for many years.

qole 2009-11-08 00:52

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TenSpeed, do Bell and Telus do EDGE, though? All of the 3G networks in Canada are useless for the N900, and I know it can't do CDMA...

EIPI 2009-11-08 01:20

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I do not think Telus and Bell are offering EDGE. Just HSPA.
Dave and Wind are our only hope.

t301 2009-11-08 10:07

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Biggest concern is now operator in trip to Vancouver :D
Where i am living in Vancouver is not have wire internet.

That why i try to find reasonable priced mobile internet or even if i can use internet/messanger in my phone.

Thanks so mutch from help

TenSpeed 2009-11-08 17:20

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You're right, Qole, EDGE is not an option on those networks. So the only choice for data remains Rogers/Fido.

I still don't understand Bell/Telus' strategy with the AWS spectrum they bought. Are they just spending money to block competition? Surely there are cheaper ways to do that (like buying politicians instead).

On a related note, there are rumblings that Vidéotron could pair up with Wind to meet the new CRTC Canadian Ownership rules. If this happens, it might even mean customers from each network would have true coverage across the country. Hope for the best, expect the worst!

TenSpeed 2009-11-10 20:23

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Time to wake up this long-dormant thread (hey, it's been over 48 hours).

I was just pointed to a retailer in the Toronto area (Markham) that specializes in the latest tech gadgets, and they have a listing for the N900. No price listed yet, but that will probably change soon; shipping is free within Toronto, and only $4.99 for the rest of Canada (and that's FedEx). Normally I wouldn't suggest a place I've never used, but a family member bought an N810 (for herself) and a few N800s (as gifts) from them last year, and the experience was good. So, it may be something to consider, if the price is right.

http://www.markways.com/detail/990/Nokia_N900_Black/

anthony_barker 2009-11-13 14:23

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In canada the cheapest gms cell coverage and no contract (with no data plan) is either Petrocanada or 711 - both sell speakout.

In toronto there is also a wifi provider - Toronto Hydro with pretty good coverage of the downtown core for $30 a month.

I have a n800 and as I am cheap I either go off that, my work wifi, home wifi or off my friends iphone (acting as a hotspot) :)

code177 2009-11-13 18:49

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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...n=n900&x=0&y=0

Decided I'd do a check to see if the n900 was on newegg.ca yet - last time i checked it returned no results, now it returns one deactivated result..

Hopefully?

Globetrotter 2009-11-13 18:58

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Hi all ... apologies, i'm not well versed in all of this technical, network, frequency stuff ... but I REALLY want a N900 ... I live in Quebec ... do I have this right:

Voice works on any GSM network in Canada (Rogers, new Bell/Telus network);
Data works only on Rogers 2.5G (Edge) which is unimpressive at best;
Wifi works just like any ol'wifi computer in hot spot ... someone mentionned using a friend's iPhone as a hotspot...how does that work?
I can buy unlocked from US and just insert my Rogers SIM card and voice will work? and 3G data will work if, as an when Videotron/Wind get up and running?

code177 2009-11-13 19:03

Re: N900 in Canada (Toronto)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Globetrotter (Post 375294)
Hi all ... apologies, i'm not well versed in all of this technical, network, frequency stuff ... but I REALLY want a N900 ... I live in Quebec ... do I have this right:

Voice works on any GSM network in Canada (Rogers, new Bell/Telus network);
Data works only on Rogers 2.5G (Edge) which is unimpressive at best;
Wifi works just like any ol'wifi computer in hot spot ... someone mentionned using a friend's iPhone as a hotspot...how does that work?
I can buy unlocked from US and just insert my Rogers SIM card and voice will work? and 3G data will work if, as an when Videotron/Wind get up and running?

- Yes,
- Yes, but it's not terribly unimpressive. Don't expect to have great fun watching youtube over Edge, but it should be sufficient for most other things like google maps, updating twitter/facebook etc.
- http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-news...i-hotspot.html
- Yes

I currently have a month-to-month fido account. I'm going to get an N900 (obviously) and then switch to Wind when it finally comes out, so I'm in the same boat :)

R-R 2009-11-13 19:10

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Maybe Vidéotron will buy Wind with the recent CRTC ****-up...

EIPI 2009-11-13 19:57

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I am quite ticked at our CRTC over the Wind fiasco. There are rumours that Videotron will buy Wind to gain the Canadian ownership % they need. I hope it resolves soon - my N900 really could use a speed increase ;)

Globetrotter 2009-11-13 20:02

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More likely they'll partner


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