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ye but its like £15 for 3gb and £25 for 5 gb

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£15 for 3gb - thats insane!! How can Vodafone get away with that.
Tmobile/3 are my only option for Uk networks - the only reasonable data rates.

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ye im changing to t mobile soon as the nokia n900 is out

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Speaking of T-Mobile...

I've just been looking at the fine print for the Web'n'Walk (Now "Broadband"?)
deals, which are some of the ones offered by mobilephonesdirect.

Basic Web'n'Walk does not allow:
1) tethering (using phone as a modem) - no surprise here, but a shame!
2) peer-to-peer networking - ok if they mean the common usage of the term!!
3) Instant messaging - now there is no bandwidth justification for that!!
4) VoIP - again, no surprise here,
5) downloading of a small number of file types, including .pdf, .doc, .xml
require the "plus" or "max" accounts, not the basic one.

WHAT? is this no file downloading, or only these types are disallowed?
How can they tell, over, say scp?

Does syncing to my Google calendar count as peer-to-peer (which strictly,
in IP terms, it is), or not? What about the internet dictionary service, or
any number of similar, trivial, protocols that we use all the time
without thinking about them?

Does any one know if this is as bad as it looks, or is it just that their
legal people don't understand (or both :-( )?

Martin

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I had a t-mob web n walk a while ago, the only actual restrictions i felt were voip, and nimbuzz being blocked. Everything else seemed to work fine, they can't detect tethering etc.

If anyone can afford the upfront cost, the best network to be on is o2, but youd have to buy the n900 either sim free or cheap on t-mob. Then get o2 simplicity 12 months@20 a month, for 800 mins, 1600 texts and unlimited data. It is now really unlimited (no 1gb etc) so as long as you dont abuse it e.g. peer to peer it should be ok. They dont filter nimbuzz either. And you can get £100 off by going through quidco.

On balance i went with the t-mob combi 30+web though to have no upfront costs and not pay for two contracts. so slightly less minutes and 1gb data.

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I was hoping that Orange would have some decent contracts with the N900. I have been with Orange since 1997, and do not really want to change, but it looks like I will have to.

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Ive been on the basic package for 2 years and I can happily say they cast a blind eye to tethering, VOIP, instant messaging, downloading listed files and streaming video/audio - as for p2p I havent tried yet.:) Just dont go over your 1gb limit. I synced to google calendar regularly (used a G1).

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http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/...47/p26078.aspx

mobile phones direct is now back to 30th of October, having previosly said Nov 1st.

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I'm not sure it would make much difference which of those it would be anyway.

Do they mean it will be shipped BEFORE that date for delivery on that date, or will they be shipping on that date? Because if shipped on 30th there are no guarantees of a Saturday delivery so it still might not arrive until the 2nd Nov.

I don't see how the 1st would ever make sense however. Surely even a courier is not going to deliver on a Sunday and even if they did, surely that means you still would get it 3rd at the earliest?

That's still just over 3 weeks away regardless of which option so I can't see a day or two making all that much difference. We all will have gone insane long before then after waiting 3 more weeks. :eek: So lets just hope they get stock earlier than expected.

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I've just noticed a bug report saying that 3 sim cards are rejected by the N900...

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5315

That could scupper my plans :(

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And now it says "End of October"... I like this game! :)

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Note that they are treating it as critical though. I'm still hopeful, especially since 3 seem to be the only operator that doesn't forbid IM/VoIP and I really don't want to have to remember switching off presence every time before I connect...

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Chris are you based in the UK?

Please can any UK T-Mobile users that have been on the web'n'walk package let us know their experiences with how strictly they enforce these ridiculous restrictions (posted on the previous page by Martin Atkins) on these policies.

Anyone who has found that VoIP is not allowed on their package, does this mean that you simply can't uses things like Skype or do you just pay extortionate data charges to use it?

Really gutted to read that exert from their small print (although glad someone noticed and posted it now!), if people are finding these rules are enforced I may have to cancel my pre-order and look for another option.

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They have three tiers of Web'n'Walk package. The lowest tier does not permit* tethering or streamed media. The second allows streamed media and tethering but no VOIP applications, the third allows anything (including VOIP).

* The restrictions are in place in the Ts &Cs and form part of your contract. I have no idea what (if any) technical blocks or monitoring is in place to enforce it.

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Hi Jaark, thanks for your reply.

I had found this information on their "fair" usage policy: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/

But it seems that all three of the mobile internet packes outlined there (Flext,
Combi & U-Fix) "do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging."

Is this what you where referring to or was it something else? I remember hearing that they have higher max GB/month plans, is that what you were talking about?

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I am based in the UK, as I mentioned they cast a blind eye, and havent charged me extra for anything. If you do go over limits/take this piss Im sure they would do something (restrict speed etc) but I havent been subjected to this ever.

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Flext, Combi & U-Fix can include basic webnwalk, you can upgrade or downgrade to Plus or Max on a monthly basis.

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Yup, that's exactly what I was meaning. For clarification, WnW Plus allows streamed media, IM and tethering. WnW Max allows pretty much anything including VoIP. Plus and Max also have a higher 'fair use' threshold too.

I'm pretty sure they say that if you go over the fair use threshold, they will restrict your speed for the rest of the month - again, this is based on what they say in their Ts&Cs - I'm not aware of anyone who has been subjected to the limits.

At the end of the day, WnW Plus does everything I need & is only just over a tenner a month extra on my contract - worth the money IMO.

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FYI, I spoke to someone at T-Mobile about the speed restriction.
This theoretically applies, but apparently there is no way of doing this on phones - it is done apparently on the usb dongle thingi's.

He also said if you go over significantly they will alert you, and I assume things will escalate from there.
But if you are using it that much you should be on their top tier anyway. It seems like it is real "fair use" which is why I opted for it over the other providers.

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That makes no sense - the technology and network in use is/should be pretty much identical.
I've learned to take what T-Mo CS reps state with a pinch of salt. I had problems connecting to the data service when I joined and the CS rep I spoke to insisted that 3G did not carry data, only GPRS did that.

Yup, from what I can see it is head and shoulders above everyone else's offerings, except - maybe - Three, but their website is so vague about what they provide I can't tell.

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Has anyone else noticed that on mobile phones direct they have changed the price of the vodafone payg from £392 all the way up to £450 - the same as what they sell the sim free version for :(

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Yeah, but if you preordered at the lower price, they will honor that price

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I went into a vodafone shop this morning. they had no information on N900 at all. so presumably won't be selling direct any time soon.

I also asked about monthly contracts with unlimited web. They were happy to show me some options any of which they said
'add £5 for unlimited web'

this is how the conversation went

'so how limited is you unlimited?'

'erm, there is a 500MB fair usage policy'

'what happens after that'

he consulted with someone else

'after 500mb it's £2.50 per MB, but it's fine because ona mobile it's all compressed so you won't use that much data'

'yes I will, I'd be putting it in an N900'

'what and using it as a modem?'

'No, the n900 is closer to a mobile computer than a phone, i'll blow througha few hundred MB in podcasts alone. don't you have any other plans with larger data deals?'

'no'

'fine, that rules you out then, thanks anyway'

I get that not everyone needs even 500mb but I object to 'unlimited' being actually specific hard limit after which they'll charge you insane amounts per MB
if they'd said we'll give you a warning, or we'll push you on to some other more expensive contract aimed at hgher users, then I might have considered them. but basically if I have a heavy month on 3g and download a podcast over my limit I could be looking at £100 extra bill easy.

no thanks vodafone, thanks for playing.

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IMHO, the term Unlimited is used in not just misleading but false ways by mobile operators.

Is it really so difficult to simply quote the allowance for each tariff and bundle?

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ye i thinking more to t mobile with there £10 month with 3gb date a month or there £5 month for 1 gb

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This thread has got me all confused again as to the best way to go :confused:
I was planning on ordering the n900 direct from nokia using the 15% off as I dont need a SIM, Im on Orange and its paid for by work :D
This would mean shelling out £420 upfront, I can do it, but Im not sure its the best way now after looking at the mobiles direct site..

They have a 12 month contract for the n900 (combi 30) which costs £29.36 a month and an initial outlay of £78 which comes to a total of £430.32, which is £10 more than buying the device outright.

Im thinking, take this contract, ditch the SIM, use my orange SIM, and then in a year I can upgrade for a much cheaper price to the n950 :D

If I buy the phone direct from nokia, I will face having to pay another £450 to upgrade to whatever is the next must have phone in a year to 18 months time

I am presuming that the phone wont be locked to a network, but even if it is, there will be a hack to change that :D

Am I thinking right here? Can I have a reality check..

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I think you're thinking right. The T-mobile contract deals at mobilephonesdirect do seem to be pretty good.

But if you are prepared to go to 18 months you can do better with the Combi 15 contract. £14.69 per month times 18, plus £140.99, giving a total of £405.41.

(For those who are actually going to be using the SIM card but don't do much talking, the best deal may be Combi 15 + Web'n'walk for £19.57 times 18, plus £112.99, equals £465.25)

Also, you need to add delivery charges (£3.99 I think) whereas with the Nokia Special Offer there's free delivery until 21 November.

Regards,
Roger

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Thanks for that - you are right, there are some pretty impressive deals at the moment.
The only catch would be if the phone was locked to a different network, but at that price it wouldn't be the end of the world if the only way to unlock it would be to pay..

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This is not what I've been told by the Vodafone 'eForum' folks, who are usually a lot more reliable than the shop drones when it comes to details of data plans. In short, according to them it's 500Mb FUP, but they'll send warnings as you get close, and you won't get charged unless you go over by a lot, or as a matter of routine. In other words, 500Mb is a guideline, but don't take the mickey.

And that's just plain wrong. Vodafone also do deals at 3Gb for £15 and 5Gb for £25 (on top of a voice contract) that they call 'Mobile Broadband via the Phone' - the idea is that they're similar deals as on the broadband dongles, but for people that want to use the phone as a modem, but really, they're just higher usage limits. I've asked my local shop people about them and they simply told me that they didn't deal with those, didn't know anything about them, and I'd have to go to the website people.

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15% off devices and accessories in Europe via twitter discount. Valid till 21st Oct.

http://europe.nokia.com/microsites/discount-twitter


Select your store location
Write down the discount code for your country and use it when you check out.

* UK SOCUK15

* Germany NOS09TW

* France SOC15

* Italy TWTR01

* Sweden OKT15T

* Netherlands SOC15/1009

* Poland SAVE15TW

* Spain DTINK

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That makes the N900 £424.15.

:)

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Thats insanely expensive.

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I liked this, but will go will T-mobile as it is £430 for a year and then I can upgrade in 12 months to the n950 or whatever is the 5 generation model..

:D

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thanks dansus! I've e-mailed nokia to see if I can apply this code to my pre-order or whether I have to caancel and re-order

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I've ordered mine on the 12 month contract, I hate being tied to anything longer than a year (as you know the next device always comes out 1 year later!)

For anyone worried about T-Mobiles data plans, there's no need to be! I currently have been using a G1 with the standard Webnwalk package, I rarely am under the limits. I frequently used Wifi tether for a few months; for internet use and the odd Trackmania session, once I had 3 people playing World of Warcraft using my phone as a wireless router. I have also used my sim in a 3G Modem. I download new firmware updates (90mb at a time,) and many other files. Seriously from my experience T-Mobile would only care if you tethered to a PC and started downloading movies.

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I'd go t-mobile in a heartbeat if I got signal with them. As it is I think o2 is my best bet.

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This looks like the deal for me!! :)

Comparing the total cost over 18 months, mobilephonesdirect.co.uk @ £465.25, against Nokia direct @ £424.15 (including the current 15% discount), you're effectively receiving a 1GB soft-limit data plan, plus 100 minutes & 100 texts, for just £2.28 extra per month!!

Sounds like the perfect N900 deal for me! :D

Also, regarding their fair use policy, from their Pay Monthly Terms & Conditions:

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not many minutes or texes im going for the 300 300 ones

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From my experience T-Mobile are like the better 'unlimited broadband' offers where you either have to be going over 1GB for a few months in a row, or use an obsene amount in one month (e.g 3GB.)

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Really? Other than t-mobile (same prices, double the FUP limit) it seems to be fairly competitive; I certainly haven't seen anything comparable from the like of O2.

If you're getting an N900, how are you getting it online?