Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

If you use a fixed width font like Courier New and & nbsp ; for spacing you can achieve the same effect without the box.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

ok.. hmm gimme a minute, I'll figure it out.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

how's this?
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Class .. : ?
Alignment: ?
Humor .. : [?---------]
Patience : [?---------]
Agro ... : [?---------]
Weapon(s): ?
Relic(s) : ?
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SIZE=1 and FONT=Courier New

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Maybe it's better if the stats are just logged into a thread.. and maybe link to it from sigs

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I tried that too but couldn't get it to work. I hope it was just me :)

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

compacted a bit more. I think this works.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

@Jay: ok, post the source here =P

@mece: you too, man! that looks nice :D

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

how does one post source? I can't get it to show those [ ] thingies!

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

quote&reply, then copy & edit everything within the code tags


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Updated... lil better IMO

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Fixed again, don't know why it doesnt look lined up right in code box.

|||EDIT3

Went with the way mece and Councilman qole have theirs.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

ok, now all we have to do is violently enforce usage of this signature... :D

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

No Courier New on my machine ... Guys, give up, this is HTML - you cannot hard set font sizes and font types.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Note that the thread above also contains links to many of the forums that added introductory stickies which could be plagiarized adapted to other forums by their moderators (and from that thread and my previous experiences with forums, I assume this capability is restricted to the moderators and administrators).

Also I would urge the moderator of the N810 forum to copy and make the following two posts from Tablet 101 stickies in the N810 forum (after the very nice introductory sticky):

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=11508
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=11746

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

New on this forum and find it quite user friendly. Apart from some quite cynical answers that I find amusing but not rude.

I have moderated on a forum and noticed that when new users join a forum with a lot of enthusiasm and want quick answers or want to improve on their rankings by increasing number of their posts they tend to clash with people who want to correct them. I haven't even seen moderators warning or issuing a ban to users with big letters.

I have no coding background and would be and advanced user. The N900 that is causing so much excitement is not yet out and people should realize that until it lands in the hands of people their issues would not be immediately addressed.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Welcome, Doksng to the forum!

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I've lurked for a few days before registering; from my new user's PoV this seems a pretty laid-back and friendly place. Of course, that perception may change once people start replying to my drivel as it deserves... 8-)

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Welcome, TomJ, to the forum! I love drivel.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Danke schone!
One quick question: where are the settings for thumbnail/avatar and signature for these fora? I can't see them anywere in the CP...

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

It should be here: http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=editprofilepic

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I've been active on the forum. Apparently I never had an account on the "main site" which is a surprise to me. (I didn't realize single sign on was not implemented.)

I think the following steps either indicate a bug (or complete incompetence on my part):

1. Today I went to http://maemo.org/ and clicked the register button.
2. This took me to https://garage.maemo.org/account/register.php. I registered with username mountainx.
3. I went to https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php and logged in with my username and password.
4. I went to http://maemo.org/profile/view/mountainx/ and I got this error message:
   
   Quote:

   Error 404: Page could not be found. The requested URL /profile/view/mountainx/ could not be found on this server.

5. I went to http://maemo.org/ which is where I started the registration process. I logged in using my known username (lowercase) and correct password. I got this message:
   
   Quote:

   Username or password was invalid.

6. I went to https://garage.maemo.org/ (behold, I'm still logged in!). So I log out and I log in (I know my username and password). Now I'm logged in again.
7. Again, I try to access my profile because I have proven that I can log in using my username "mountainx". http://maemo.org/profile/view/mountainx/ again gives a 404.

For someone that has been posting on the maemo forums almost every day and who runs several Drupal websites, I can see how people would view this as not user friendly. People can't even log in to my Drupal site when the process is as simple as pie. Will the average person go through the steps I did above?

And for me to go through all those steps and still be unable to log in at the home page of the main site (http://maemo.org/, the page from which I registered), I am left bewildered.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I suppose I could have left all that out of my post and just listed the steps I tried and the results I got. If you hadn't quoted me, I'd just delete that unneccessary commentary. :)

FWIW, I seem to recall a lot of comments in this thread about site layout, completeness of the FAQS and other issues that are along the same lines as the one I mention. When I first joined, the inability to log in on MO after creating an account on TMO was definitely an impediment to me participating as fully as I would have liked. I know that's a nebulous statement, but when the site application is not working as expected, the end result can often be the same as when someone is treated rudely -- they don't come back.

EDIT: Oh, btw, I'm not complaining. I love this site. I'm just attempting to offer useful "debugging" feedback.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

It has a direct effect, Jay. I realize all of the info is here, but its so hard to find and access sometimes, and if most users aren't very helpful, it can be a factor in making new users feel unwelcome, so it needs to be addressed. I'm glad he mentioned it.

[/quote]2. By "user-friendliness" the OP meant how accomidating the people are, not how easy it is to log in to the "other" site.[/QUOTE]
I get that, but right now, people are answering questions needlessly and getting irritated with the new cats because of the layout. Solving that may help the other. This site IS pretty cool for the most part, but its info availability isn't.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

All of the info on maemo.org can be accessed without being logged in to the site so .... :confused:

Again, has nothing to do with site logins. Has to do with layout.
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I don't see how either thing you said had anything to do with either thing I said.

Site Log-Ins != Site layout.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Jay, you have to stop and either deny or admit that the way the site is laid out and the unclear login situation has confused new users, and needlessly repelled people that may have benefitted from the community. As a businessman, I see it as bad service and relations, and something I'd want fixed. Users will see it as the site not caring or being out of touch with the process (where's the "You must register separately" message??) in regards to anyone not here the last few years.

You can access all of the info, but if you have issues getting logged in, and don't see anything in the way of help, you abandon ship for the alternative communities. To continue this way could make one of those communities the preferred place for Maemo info, which would be a shame, since all it would take to make it better would be a little extra time to plan and design it better.

If you have issue logging into a section of the site, and there's no help, its not user friendly. That you don't see the point after multiple people's explanations may be evidence of the disconnect, and maybe you just don't get it. Either way, a better layout would do alot to make more satisfied users.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

logins and layout are BOTH an issue, and it causes frustrations I KNOW no one really wants to needlessly deal with

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Yes, but, you see, talk.maemo.org (t.m.o) used to be not part of *.maemo.org called internettablettalk.com (ItT). SSO (single sign on) is on list of features to be added. It is a known issue. I couldn't find it in Bugzilla, but I know its known... hmm, hihi.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Umm, unless you're trying to do something karma-related, there's no reason an inquisitive non-developing new user needs to be logged in to the main site in the first place (at least in regards to TMO).

No information on maemo.org is restricted by not being logged in.

If it wasn't blatantly obvious that you're trying to draw people to your maemo site by pointing out how bad this one is, I'd pursue this issue further... but it is... so I won't.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Ah, my young jedi apprentice, the Force is indeed strong in you.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

well there is planet maemo and brainstorm what non-developing users might want use, these two places are not just for developers and requires a maemo.org login to take part
one of main reasons brainstorm gets so little attention from users is b/c most new members can't be bothered to create another login

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I didn't get that feeling at all. He was describing exactly what I experienced here and he didn't say anything that made me think he was promoting some other site. His comments were so close to my own experience that he could have been reading my mind.

I clearly remember (from when I first joined) getting a negative impression of the whole site due to the confusing login issues. It is easy to forget how new users experience things. It wasn't that long ago for me, so I still remember my first impressions. I think christexaport nails it, and I think his feedback is constructive and useful.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Thanks. No plans to abandon ship here. I like this community (including both your contributions and those of christexaport).

And I'll just wait and see what happens with my login. It is not a big deal to me at this moment (but that doesn't diminish the value of christexaport's feedback IMO).

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Come on, Jay. I'm not a Karma whore. That was pretty low, brother. I'm a pretty selfless guy, tbh. I'm trying to be helpful to this, which is MY, community, and I consider myself a part of it wholeheartedly. But whether we're developers or users, we see a login and it doesn't work as expected, and some people leave only because they have a hard time signing in. I had the issue with making a Brainstorm, so I'm speaking from experience.

We can just ignore the whole thing, but I thought saying something might give insight to making things smoother for the masses, sort of like my portrait/ASR "crusade", which wasn't as nice as I'd like. However, after the surveys show how many people want it and find its absence an oversight, as I'd predicted, I wished some of us could just start listening to criticism constructively. I had a suggestion, not a declaration of war.

If only developers belong in certain parts of the site, just let it be known and save us non devs some time. I know none of the info "requires" a login, but most don't, and it causes confusion we could easily solve.

My site has a community of over 115k members. Most of the readers here won't filter there, since this site provides something my community does on a smaller scale. We are the little brother of "The .Org", as we've started calling this site, and want to be partners, not an alternative. There's nothing blatant about trying to make things better here that relates to my site, which hasn't been mentioned in this thread once.

Cut me some slack, and reevaluate your assessment of why I'm here. Obviously, there is some holdover form the past month's fiasco, but I've let that all go, and forgiven the whole ordeal. Can you do the same, my friend? I'm bipolar, and a jerk, but I want to make amends, if you'll accept.

I'll avoid this thread to avoid the PERCEPTION of any ill will to "The .Org" if that will please you, but doing so will keep my opinion out of this community, which I don't find fair. I want to be a member here, but not if I'll be blackballed anytime I say anything. I'm only here to help, nothing more.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I guess, Jay. I was more bothered by the poaching accusation, but I'll just let it go. How about that?

I appreciate the support, guys. I need it sometimes. And users are in fact arriving here and leaving confused, and coming to me and others in the community for answers I have to come here to find anyway. I'd like to make it easier to get the info, for me and them, and also have some code of conduct where we stop being so negative to each other.

User friendliness is rooted in friendship, which is something I hold dear. We can all tone down the sarcasm and rude statements, and focus on helping "The .Org" be a better place to share knowledge. This site will be my Bible for the next year, so I want the best it can be.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Well can I ask what gave you the idea I'd EVER poach readers from here? I'd invite anyone, but only via PM, as I've done with you. That really put me and my site in a bad light, and I wish you wouldn't do that. We operate at zero profit, and work as a resource, not a business. We have ads, but nothing major. I'm far from a rich man, and even doubling our readership won't change that.

I ask you to keep being the funny Jay we all love, but be careful before you ruin the reputation of a loyal member of our community, which we are.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

I'm all out of jokes, Jay. You were pretty wrong for what you said, and I'm shocked you'd even say it. I invited you as a resource, but you ridicule me like that? I'll pass on your monologue. Not so funny to me.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

anyone else have any input to help make things better in the user friendliness of tmo?

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

If everyone would simply check their ego in at the door, we'd all get along just fine.

Seriously, dig deep, and you'll find it's pretty much at the root of those threads I usually point, snicker, and shake my head at as I pass by. And now this thread shall join those ranks.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Well, thanks, but SSO is already a known missing feature, and not easy to implement! (I still have nightmares about AD, LDAP, and Kerberos :D).

Therefore, I don't see how complaining about it here is fruitful, and insiders know that. In human psychology I think, on perceived level, it boils dow nto this: either you're an insider and know such, or you're an outsider who doesn't know that. Both is OK, but don't try to be both when its in your advantage. As outsider you show your respect, and accept when your contribution isn't valuable because it is already known and widely discussed. As insider you just learn the final pieces of the puzzle you missed or forgotten. And, one acts accordingly.

Don't make such a drama out of it though. Don't take it too personal. Just smoke a spliff or drink one and relax (whisky here, against the flu :D). Every person has a manual. Although man(1) claims: No manual entry for woman

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Pf you're not geek enough!! :p

[quote[$ make love not war
make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.[/quote] Antoher one

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

@Chris

I tried to not respond, but cannot.

I said you were trying to "draw people to your Maemo site".

What exactly does that mean to you?

If Yahoo! drew me to their site for Fantasy Football, does that mean that I wouldn't be able to go back to Google for Gmail?

After all, they're both search engines. By your logic, if I was "drawn" to one, I would not be able to go back to the other. (read poaching...your word, not mine)

I'm so sorry I put you and your site "into a bad light" and "ruined your reputation" and "ridiculed" you....... SERIOUSLY?

LMFAO.

Apparently the drama is also bigger in Texas.

Re: User-friendliness of talk.maemo.org
 

Somehow a corporation with a certain name ending on icrosoft is missing from your hypothesis. Or, oogle has paid royalties related to icrosoft's vendor lock patent.

Another classic to cheer ya up further
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng :D cheers