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The difference between the sidekicks and devices like the G1 and n900 is that it's not server based. So TMobile couldn't control what you could do with the device once it's out of the hands if your smart and determined enough.

And I'm not surprised. I'm actually wondering if NewEgg and CostCo will get it.

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Nothing on Best Buy's website and when I called the local store, they had no idea what I was talking about.

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Hey that is great!! Any link to share? When I went on their site I couldn't find it. You are not confusing Best Buy the walk in showroom stores with the online store Buy.com are you?



They only have the n97

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My Bad man - confused it with buy.com. Sorry

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Talking to a buddy of mine earlier and he said something to me that caught my attention and made me think about an alternative to what Project Black could really be. He said T-Mobile Germany is buying or merging with T-Home Germany or something, and that in doing so, would allow T-Mobile here in the states to offer satellite or cable tv, highspeed internet, home phone, as well as cell service ofc.

If true this would definitely be a game changer and possibly bring T-Mobile out from 4th. Just something to throw out on the table, maybe it isn't anything to do at all with the cellular side of service.

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Ummm...just found this http://www.mobileshop.com/blog/mobil...o2-as-the-hd2/

Perhaps the HTC HD2 is part of Project Black...although I like the specs on the phone, it's one powerful beast, I really don't want a 4.3" screened phone in my pocket...I have enough big things down their...
:p;):D:rolleyes:

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I would think the HD2 would fit better in the pocket than the n900. Its much lighter and thinner. The n900 is really on the upper bound of being acceptable in a pocket

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HTC Snapdragon perhaps?

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or noir? (bad joke)

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I just read the specs on the phone and all I can say is WOW! If this phone comes out before we get our N900's or at the same time, I will seriously consider getting this instead...

1GHZ Snapdragon processor with 1GB of total ram, if what I'm reading on that T-Mobile link I previously posted.

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Its a 1ghz snapdragon. Worth noting of course that the native speed of the n900 chip is 1ghz, its throttled for battery life (and one imagines heat). The 1gb of ram is 256mb + virtual as far as i understand it from a couple of articles.

The screen real estate is nice i agree but way to much phone size (length and width) for my liking.

Of course the real killer for me is the os. I am never going back to winblows mobile.

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Nope. T-Mo was late to the 3G party, but the advantage to that is their network equipment is much more modern and easier to tune up.

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You're talking about the HTC Leo/HD2/HTC Touch HD2 phone, correct?

All I can say is...

There is absolutely no way I would get that phone or any other phone that runs Windows. :p

The N900 appeals to me not because of its processor or RAM, but because it is open. I would buy it even if it had inferior hardware (which I do not believe is the case at all). The Nokia NXXX series supports my personal freedoms better than any other device of this type on the planet. There is nothing more important than that (for me).

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448RAM 512ROM
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd...ification.html

Wait, so technically the N900 could be modded to allow the processor to run faster?

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I was unaware that it was underclocked, most of the things I've read said it was just 600, not underclocked like the iPhone 3GS (833, underclocked to 600).

Also I don't know how to compare speeds between say the n900's chip, to the snapdragon, to x86 (I know that x86 and ARM are different).

But anyway, it could probably be overclocked, at the risk of battery life, heat and melting your device. =P

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It's really not. ;) The OMAP3430 is rated for 600MHz. Even then, locking it above 500MHz is likely to cause damage. The 1GHz number you're getting is about the Cortex A8 reference design, which doesn't tell you much about specific silicon. ;)

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Eesh, so it can't even do 600 at all times (if I'm processing this correctly?)

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I hope you're wrong???

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You would even melt your desktop CPU (Pentium, etc.) if you run it at max load all the time. So, I would guess that a device like this is designed to slow down the frequency when the demand warrants doing so. And I would guess that there is a concept like "duty cycle" in the design...

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Correct. During his lightning session this afternoon, Igor specifically warned against locking the processor at 500 or 600 MHz. Doing so will burn out the N900.

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Alright, I'm getting a little off-topic now, but how exactly does the N900 clock itself? Will it even run at 600MHz? What does it mean to "lock the processor" at x frequency? I had kind of assumed that the processor works like speedstep stuff, going to higher speeds if there was a more demanding task, i.e. watching a youtube video.

If this is not the case, is there a way to throttle up the processor for short periods of time if better performance is needed? Scarier still, if this is the case, does that mean that I might melt my N900 if I watch 2-3hours of video continuously on Hulu?

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Yes, cpufreq handles the speedstepping. For users, there's absolutely no need to worry about any of this. ;)

So? Unless you're transcoding video 24/7 there's almost no need for it to be at 600MHz at all times.

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Lock means that you would be running it full tilt at 600 Mhz always.

The way processors usually work is by throttling up and down depending on what is demanded of the user at the time. The reason why I wonder about this is like your concern (though not so much the melting rather than the performance of the device). What if you engage something that requires the processor to run at a high level continously?

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http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...lack-handsets/

-BlackBerry Bold 9700
-Nokia N900
-Another N-Series phone
-21Mbps HSPA
-$50 Unlimited Everything plan (voice, sms, mms, data)

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Generally, when you speak of locking or throttling a processor it is at a speed below which it is designed to operate. This would, primarily, be to conserve battery and reduce heat. This is done automatically by many CPUs depending on the load. It can also be done manually for some CPUs but I don't know if this is the case for th N900.

What you are talking about is overclocking the processor. This cannot be done automatically and I've never seen it done manually. Instead, it is done semi-permanently through the hardware or the BIOS. It is generally used for PC gaming machines.

If anything, in small devices, you will see underclocking. The iphone, for example, underclocks its processors to increase battery life. This could theoretically be undone but I don't think it applies to the N900 in any case.

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I am so ready to change from my At&T plan. Another reason for changing phones (to the N900) as well as plans.

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If this new plan is true, and happens, I know about 10 people who will be changing their plans. From both the same network and from other networks. The idea behind this plan puts such a force behind Tmo, that the move from them being 4th to being much higher will be at such a blisteringly fast pace, that I don't think the other carries will stand a chance to catch up for quiet awhile. After all Tmo's tech sup is the best I've seen so far :)

My only question aside from everyone's 'Will they subsidize??' question is *how long* can they keep the pricing up?

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Just to get back on topic:

TMO claims their announcement is a game changer. Personally, I can’t see how carrying one or two great phones, Blackberry and/or n900, could be a game changer. Super-competitive pricing perhaps might work, but a good line-up of phones, doesn't seem to be a game changer. Sprint has done the pricing thing, and that hasn't helped enough yet. So my guess the game changer is something else.

It’s true that the TMO Sprint merger rumors have been around for a few years, but I think that fact is reason enough to suspect that a merger may be imminent.

Both Sprint and TMO are dying out there and both need to grow quickly now more than ever before. Everyone's tired of the rumors, so no one really believes it, but large corporations often take years to finally decide to merge. In the past both have expressed the willingness, but the times were wrong. I think this UK Telegraph article is convincing; especially in view of the recent merger of TMO UK and France Telecom Orange, and that the chief executive at Deutche Telecom has pledged to reverse the fortunes of both T-Mobile UK and T-Mobile US http://tinyurl.com/puusu8

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good link .

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50 bucks flat rate for everything is going to change the hell out of the US market if its actually the case. It undercuts the bejebus out of pretty much every other company

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Yup, and depending on the amount TMobile is making off of the plan currently if $50 doesn't break their bank then it would be a great way to undercut the competitors (or at least force them to lower their pricing).

I really don't think a merger would help them that much. Especially considering Sprint and TMobile have incompatible networks. Sure they'll be in 3rd place, but then instead of two "slowly dying" companies you just have one big "slowly dying" company that now has to somehow combine the two networks.

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Agreed. That would be a huge game changer from my perspective as a customer.

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According to a link in another thread on the Telegraph UK, it sounds like a merger is possibly in the process between T-Mobile and Sprint. If this is true I think we can see what 'Project Black' truly is.

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I wonder when we'll get some more finalized information rather then rumor/speculation based on possible leaks though. Would be nice to know so I can determine when to buy the plan and whether to buy the device from TMobile vs. another store.

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From some analysts's and investors's perspective, I guess an acquisition would be the bigger game changer.

But from my perspective as a customer, an acquisition would be a major disappointment.

It is interesting that some analysts and investors also say a T-Mobile acquistion of Sprint would be disappointing -- even highly risky.

As a customer, I want better smartphones and better pricing plans for 3g and 4g data. T-Mobile's coverage is already improving nicely and for me it is better than AT&T's.

With the acquisition, TMO will be buying Sprint's customers (probably at a hefty price per customer). This move does not offer anything "game changing" to the customers, IMO.

Keep in mind that TMO has invested US$6.2 billion in its network in the US in the last 18 months! That's why everyone on TMO is seeing better coverage, more 3g, etc.

If Project Dark is a $50 all you can consume pricing plan coupled with some killer smart phones and a few other goodies, on top of these $6.2 billion of improvements, TMO will be acquiring customers the right way -- by offering something better.

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4G doesn't mean the need of new hardware (ie phones) that support that? Official 4G release + cool phones supporting that (N900 sucessor for 2010) would be really a game-changer.

Just asking, I really don't know if actual 3G-capable phones can handle TMO's 4G.

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Not immediately, it would be gradual overtime which I'm sure T-Mobile does not want, considering their two biggest market losses were the US and UK. According to that link, if T-Mobile & Sprint were to merge, it would give them close to 79mill customers threatening AT&T's position. I totally agree with you it would be bad but eventually ( not right away considering Sprint is CDMA and T-mobile GSM ) once T-Mobile finds a way to merge the networks maybe once they have their 4G network's up and running ( quoting the article )

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I think we now know what Project Dark ( Black ) is....


http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/a...n-t/#continued

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It's yet another rumor writeup, exactly the same as what Boy Genius wrote... albeit this is a longer piece..

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Engadget is at least more credible than Boy Genius and sarcasm their on the end with the '...' ;)