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YoDude 2009-10-22 13:33
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 355314)
Yep and imagine how awesome it will be if they KEEP delaying it - I mean if they push it back to say Jan 2010 it will be even better. Then all they have to do is push that back until March 2010 to get a better device.

I don't so much mind the delay until Mud Nov, but what really pisses me off is the complete lack of communication and updates to the Nokia site. For farks sake how hard is it to update a webpage.
:D

True. We all seem to be able to bend logic to suit the point we are trying to make...

I never was to impressed with how quickly Nokia responds with its Web pages. :cough: Tableteer :cough:

This Forum however, and maemo.org by extension has always been an exceptional source of timely and accurate information.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vlad at endgadget got his pointers to this on the Chronicles of n900



Quote:
In reference to your questions on the expected shipment date of the Nokia N900, let me tell you the latest information from Nokia:

The Nokia N900 is a great example of what we and the open source community have been able to achieve with Maemo software. We are working closely with open source developers and for example, at the Maemo Summit in October, we loaned 300 pre-production units to get more feedback from the community. This feedback is extremely important to us and as such we also want to provide the best user experience with the Nokia N900.

We expect it to start shipping during November 2009.

Peter Schneider
Head of Maemo Marketing
Nokia Corporation
and that habeeb and evilm0nkey were also members of this forum or organization.

So the the lack of communication and updates to the Nokia site don't bother at all.


...and as long as we are speculating as to the cause... I reckon it was prompted by the feedback received by the users of the Maemo summit devices and it may have more to do with GSM then anything OS or UI related.

(:cough: network codes :cough:)

Rushmore 2009-10-22 13:34
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enyibinakata (Post 355338)
So the DROID will probably ship before the N900.

Nokia messes up in the US all over again. If the DROID is released in Europe etc at the same time then I'll consider switching. Nokia is such a joke these days

Dont take my word for it, read the article below

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ia-n97-updates
Launch party is Oct 28th and preorders are in high gear in November. Either they will release about the same time or the N900 (unless another delay) will beat it.

Side note:

Tmo should be a little worried now. Sholes is being pushed by Verizon and Google and Tmo offerings are second tier, older chipset devices. If Verizon were to drop their rates a little, Tmo could be hurt. Even without a drop Sholes should be huge and have Tmo pointing middle fingers at their marketing.

ralphb 2009-10-22 13:37
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Maybe they just have too many websites to update :)

Current displayed shipping dates on the various store sites are as follows:
- Nokia USA "Availability: END OF OCTOBER 2009"
- Noka UK : "Tentative delivery date: November 2009."
- Nokia Finland: "3.9.2009 eteenpäin sinulla on mahdollisuus kokeilla"
- Nokia Germany : "ab dem 30. Oktober 2009"

(Seems the Finns have had the N900 for over a month!)

Nokia in France, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden appear to promise no particular delivery date, although all allow pre-ordering.

Sasler 2009-10-22 13:44
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ralphb (Post 355356)

- Nokia Finland: "3.9.2009 eteenpäin sinulla on mahdollisuus kokeilla"
Loosely translated this means: "From 3.9.2009 you have the chance to test it" ;)

zerojay 2009-10-22 13:48
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 355314)
Yep and imagine how awesome it will be if they KEEP delaying it - I mean if they push it back to say Jan 2010 it will be even better. Then all they have to do is push that back until March 2010 to get a better device.

I dont so much mind the delay until Mid Nov, but what really pisses me off is the complete lack of communication and updates to the Nokia site. For farks sake how hard is it to update a webpage.

For those who care the goddamn Nokia USA page is STILL showing End of October.
I'm not saying "keep delaying it" or anything like that. I'm just trying to show you guys the bright side of a crappy development, that's all.

nashith 2009-10-22 13:50
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
As a long time Symbian user, I feel that both portrait and landscape mode is important to *some* tasks, specially the tasks that involve basic phone functionality ie. SMS, Voice (already available), Contacts. The rest can be managed since music playback, browsing, games, calendar are mostly used when not in a hurry and two hands are usually free ;)

ralphb 2009-10-22 13:53
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasler (Post 355362)
Loosely translated this means: "From 3.9.2009 you have the chance to test it" ;)
Fair enough. Google suggested "try out" or somesuch, and I figured that's what I plan to do when I get mine. :-)

So, it's really in-store demo they're talking about here. Ah well.

x61 2009-10-22 13:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashith (Post 355371)
As a long time Symbian user, I feel that both portrait and landscape mode is important to *some* tasks, specially the tasks that involve basic phone functionality ie. SMS, Voice (already available), Contacts. The rest can be managed since music playback, browsing, games, calendar are mostly used when not in a hurry and two hands are usually free ;)
Nobody is certain why Nokia keeps on delaying the product. The problem is they are not saying shyt about it, which is fvcking annoying.

w00t 2009-10-22 14:01
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x61 (Post 355379)
Nobody is certain why Nokia keeps on delaying the product. The problem is they are not saying shyt about it, which is fvcking annoying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing
In reference to your questions on the expected shipment date of the Nokia N900, let me tell you the latest information from Nokia:

The Nokia N900 is a great example of what we and the open source community have been able to achieve with Maemo software. We are working closely with open source developers and for example, at the Maemo Summit in October, we loaned 300 pre-production units to get more feedback from the community. This feedback is extremely important to us and as such we also want to provide the best user experience with the Nokia N900.

We expect it to start shipping during November 2009.

Peter Schneider
Head of Maemo Marketing
Nokia Corporation
Posted in another thread early today.

Bratag 2009-10-22 14:08
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing

In reference to your questions on the expected shipment date of the Nokia N900, let me tell you the latest information from Nokia:

The Nokia N900 is a great example of what we and the open source community have been able to achieve with Maemo software. We are working closely with open source developers and for example, at the Maemo Summit in October, we loaned 300 pre-production units to get more feedback from the community. This feedback is extremely important to us and as such we also want to provide the best user experience with the Nokia N900.

We expect it to start shipping during November 2009.

Peter Schneider
Head of Maemo Marketing
Nokia Corporation
Ok, but that really doesn't TELL us anything. Feedback is important - great. Is this delay as a result of that feedback? If so what was/is the issue? If not - same damn question.

I really don't consider it too much to ask for some basic information for the investment of 500+ dollars. I am willing to put up with a lot if only they tell me WHY I am putting up with it.

On a side note the "expect it to start shipping during November" is yet another hedge bet. The keyword there is EXPECT. It gives them another out if it doesn't. While I am quite happy to keep my preorder at this stage, a further delay past the new "expected" date would definitely give me pause and perhaps make me go with something else while they fully bake the OS/hardware/whatever the hell it is causing the delay.

krk969 2009-10-22 14:10
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Ok guys,

I just called Nokia to confirm my pre-order details.

I asked the rep if they got any news lately about the dates.

They told me November end !

I asked them if it was just another speculation or is there going to be some official confirmation of the dates.

They said its more than speculation but they havent got a specific date yet.

Infer what you can from it, or just ignore it like the millions of other posts regarding the dates :p

Seriously I couldnt care less now, tired of these speculations and Nokia's silence on it ! :cool:

krk969 2009-10-22 14:15
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by krk969 (Post 355400)
Ok guys,

I just called Nokia to confirm my pre-order details.

I asked the rep if they got any news lately about the dates.

They told me November end !

I asked them if it was just another speculation or is there going to be some official confirmation of the dates.

They said its more than speculation but they havent got a specific date yet.

Infer what you can from it, or just ignore it like the millions of other posts regarding the dates :p

Seriously I couldnt care less now, tired of these speculations and Nokia's silence on it ! :cool:


http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/...k-to-november/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/n...e-in-november/

piece of news from my regular n900 google search :D

w00t 2009-10-22 14:19
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 355398)
Ok, but that really doesn't TELL us anything. Feedback is important - great. Is this delay as a result of that feedback? If so what was/is the issue? If not - same damn question.

I really don't consider it too much to ask for some basic information for the investment of 500+ dollars. I am willing to put up with a lot if only they tell me WHY I am putting up with it.

On a side note the "expect it to start shipping during November" is yet another hedge bet. The keyword there is EXPECT. It gives them another out if it doesn't. While I am quite happy to keep my preorder at this stage, a further delay past the new "expected" date would definitely give me pause and perhaps make me go with something else while they fully bake the OS/hardware/whatever the hell it is causing the delay.
I can't find the reply now, but he did indicate that it was delayed as a result of that feedback, IIRC, yes.

I'm really not that bothered. No actual date was ever given, so they haven't really broken it. Am I annoyed that I don't have my N900 right now? Sure. Is it inconveniencing me? Yes, I don't have a phone working at the moment.

But really, I think all that can be done here is to take a step back from things, take a deep breath, and realise that the delay hopefully means that ultimately the N900 will be more polished than if it had shipped earlier.

Could things have been done better in this case? Possibly. I don't think Nokia are communicating exceptionally well - both internally and externally - but a lot of the blame I see getting shoved around (at least for UK based people) has been the fault of external companies *anyway*.

Nokia UK's position has always been (both on the website, and the times I've rung them): "Tentative delivery date: November". *Tentative*. It's not even sure of the month there.

Fargus 2009-10-22 14:34
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thorbo (Post 355299)
For those who think threatening to cancel your pre-order is going to speed Nokia up in their release, think again. What you are actually doing is bumping all the other pre-orders up on the list, as it were -- more available hardware, to be sent out to everyone else.

I would assume the issues are all software, as the loaner units in the field seem to be working fine (or I am sure we would hear about it, even from proponents of the product -- sometimes the harshest critics), they will get the software update on their units as the final product it rolled out.

Enjoy the wait. Makes for a better story when you get the device. Embrace the notion that Nokia cares enough to hold back the N900 until they make it as robust as they can at release time.
Personally I'm quite happy to see people cancel their orders for exactly the reason stated above - maybe mine will arrive a tad quicker then - assuming that they aren't using Royal Mail for delivery in which case 2010 seems an early expectation for delivery!

range 2009-10-22 14:35
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kalle (Post 355322)
Is that really an official Nokia announcement, or information from some thread/webnews/webstore? I ordered mine in day one (2nd septemper), and even then the release date was "Late october (possibily in week 44-45) in selected markets".

And now it is week 43.
The German Nokia shop had 12th of October as a shipping date and switched to 30th of october somewhen at the end of september. And will now probably switch to some november date :)

GunnerzMate 2009-10-22 14:43
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
If they delay this phone beyond mid-November i'm getting me something else. Still its a nice phone but i don't wanna wait another month for it...My old phone is barely working as it is...

Psymastr 2009-10-22 14:45
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
1 month is no biggie. The Pandora has been delayed for over 1 year now.

Frank Banul 2009-10-22 14:46
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Are you people nuts? They need to delay this until mid December so I can justify getting one for Christmas!!!! ;)

Frank

hypnotik 2009-10-22 14:46
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 355413)
I'm really not that bothered. No actual date was ever given, so they haven't really broken it. Am I annoyed that I don't have my N900 right now? Sure. Is it inconveniencing me? Yes, I don't have a phone working at the moment.
NokiaUSA is still saying end of october...

They probably haven't updated it because they want to keep the preorders rolling in. I'm cancelling my pre-order with NokiaUSA today. Already ordered it from Newegg (much cheaper) and at least newegg is saying 11/15

zehjotkah 2009-10-22 14:49
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Nokia Germany:
Quote:
Bei Vorbestellung ist eine Anlieferung voraussichtlich ab dem 25. November 2009 möglich. Dies ist abhängig von der gewählten Versandart und Produkt-Verfügbarkeit.

Rotkaeqpchen 2009-10-22 14:51
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
THIS IS ****ING ****ING ****ING ****ING JOKE I GUESS!?

Quote:
Bei Vorbestellung ist eine Anlieferung voraussichtlich ab dem 25. November 2009 möglich. Dies ist abhängig von der gewählten Versandart und Produkt-Verfügbarkeit.
THIS WOULD MEAN I HAVE WAITED 3 ****ING MONTHS FOR THIS!? AND THIS IS JUST AN "ESTIMATED" DATE!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

THIS IS NOT DURING NOVEMBER! THIS IS NOT MID NOVEMBER, THIS IS >>>>>>>>> ESTIMATES <<<<<<<<<<<< END END END END OF NOVEMBER!

I could have taken my 500€ and invest them in a hedge fond in lehman bros., this would have been a better investment!!!! OR SIMPLY leave it on my bank-account and get 2% rent on this amount...

zdux0012 2009-10-22 14:51
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing

In reference to your questions on the expected shipment date of the Nokia N900, let me tell you the latest information from Nokia:

Nokia blah blah blah.. ****ed in the *** ****ed in the *** blah. We're great, we're really good. Boy are you lucky!

We expect it to start shipping during November 2009.

Peter Schneider
Head of Maemo Marketing
Nokia Corporation
Now Piss off
Thanks for the heads up Nokia!

theflew 2009-10-22 14:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hbghbg (Post 355257)
I hate this news, compared with iphone , I can't see any hope from NOKIA!
Right because the iPhone releases worldwide and to every major distributor upon release.

bbns 2009-10-22 14:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zdux0012 (Post 355449)
Thanks for the heads up Nokia!
re-edit other people's message and quote without permission is bad ...

x61 2009-10-22 14:56
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Banul (Post 355439)
Are you people nuts? They need to delay this until mid December so I can justify getting one for Christmas!!!! ;)

Frank
My birthday is coming mid Nov so I was expecting to "surprise" myself with this fine device as a present before the birthday.

Zuhälter 2009-10-22 14:59
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 355429)
The German Nokia shop had 12th of October as a shipping date and switched to 30th of october somewhen at the end of september. And will now probably switch to some november date :)
Yes, you are correct. JUST got off the phone with the German Nokia shop. Was told at least 3 weeks before the N900 ships. Asked if that was a set date and was told, "maybe" 3 weeks if I am lucky. :eek:

I'm starting to feel like an Oakland Raiders fan at this point. They know the Super Bowl exits, and they dream about it, even google videos to see other teams in the Super Bowl! However, deep down they are starting to lose faith they'll ever reach the holy grail... :(

I just want my damn N900...

Rotkaeqpchen 2009-10-22 15:02
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
This is my mail to Nokia Germany, translate that if you want to.

Quote:
Sie wissen wie man Kunden unglücklich und sauer macht! Ich habe das N900 am 29. AUGUST vorbestellt, per VORKASSE gezahlt. Ihre Liefertermine waren:
1. Oktober, 12. Oktober, 30. Oktober und jetzt der 25. November !? Sie schicken keine Emails an die Vorbesteller mit irgendeiner Erklärung oder Entschuldigung und setzen darauf, dass man das einfach akzeptiert ?

Ist Ihnen ein Kunde der Nokias TEUERSTES Produkt bestellt so egal !? Das ist mehr als nur eine Frechheit und macht mich wirklich sehr wütend, ich habe jetzt 2 Monate gewartet und nun soll ich noch einen weiteren Monat warten, mit dem Termin „VORRAUSSICHTLICH“ am 25. November !?

ceroberts75 2009-10-22 15:03
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just got off the phone with Nokia. ship date was extended to "2nd week of November as there were many units pre-ordered"

:/

zehjotkah 2009-10-22 15:06
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arachnist 2009-10-22 15:09
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Seriously, if the issues left right now are software issues (not hardware), I'd rather get N900 with pre-release software because my old phone is failing now (battery is almoast dead, keys get stuck... an SE K800i after 3 years of not-so-light use).
And pushing back the release date just because there are many preorders? They could release early to those who preordered early...

drm 2009-10-22 15:11
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I think that the Nokia n900, it’s more then one month late, to me it’s more then a year late.
I don’t understand why nokia didn’t react faster to the trend of the touch devices. It started in 2007.
Maemo was an obvious solution. They should react faster.
But they prefer to stay with symbian on models like the n95 then the n96.
I guess that now they face a much more critical problem. For the first time they are not the greater buyer of touch technology, and Samsung and LG are the ones that makes the screens. Nokia already admitted that can’t buy the components, and for sure not at the price they want.
Also this politic of announcing something (like they did with n97) with one year of advance it’s really all wrong.
I really love nokia and to me this is very sad.
This latest news about the N900 delay it’s just one more to add to this colossal mess.
Here in Portugal they make a huge campaign with advertisements of N900 in every street. The campaign finished and we need to wait one more month to get the phone in the shops. What a waste of money.

jalladin 2009-10-22 15:12
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thorbo (Post 355299)
For those who think threatening to cancel your pre-order is going to speed Nokia up in their release, think again. What you are actually doing is bumping all the other pre-orders up on the list, as it were -- more available hardware, to be sent out to everyone else.

I would assume the issues are all software, as the loaner units in the field seem to be working fine (or I am sure we would hear about it, even from proponents of the product -- sometimes the harshest critics), they will get the software update on their units as the final product it rolled out.

Enjoy the wait. Makes for a better story when you get the device. Embrace the notion that Nokia cares enough to hold back the N900 until they make it as robust as they can at release time.


I think a lot of ppl are just mad and need to vent, which is ur god given right to complain. Yet there will be quite a few new comers and some that are early consumers to just get something else "for the time being". It gives me time to keep saving for it instead of blowing a whole check on it:rolleyes: I'm not as mad as I'm board while I wait for it ( I'm tired of watching videos on it:confused: ) well to each there own i guess but dnt bash peter about stuff though ( I gotta a crush on him ) but besides that he has a valid point in what he said... wait... we're working on stuff...

DaKing 2009-10-22 15:34
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well well nokia when i finally thought u are going to be the best u just failed again so pissed off right now scince am traveling on a tour after 12november and so if it wasn't released yet byebye nokia byebye N900 forever maybe switching for some real companies like Apple Iphone sorry nokia but the truth says they know at least when they are gona release it after announcing the device ! or the HTC HD2 since it's gona be nice thnx nokia :@ :@

range 2009-10-22 15:41
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zdux0012 (Post 355449)
Thanks for the heads up Nokia!
I want an "unthank" button. That is very low in style what you did there.

x61 2009-10-22 15:42
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Quote:
Last week [nokia] reported sales down more than 8%, creating losses of £836m over the past three months
That's what I'm talking about... I thought this will teach them a lesson...
Quote:
Pundits and analysts put much of the blame on Nokia's inability to keep up with the likes of the iPhone and the BlackBerry
yup

source

att 2009-10-22 16:07
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 355239)
The other good thing about the delay is that more developers can push their stuff into Extras.
I'm waiting N900 to ship so that I could continue my little application development. I don't use SDK and my N810 doesn't support Maemo 5 or its APIs so for the moment no new versions and features. But that's life :)

chrisp7 2009-10-22 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaKing (Post 355523)
well well nokia when i finally thought u are going to be the best u just failed again so pissed off right now scince am traveling on a tour after 12november and so if it wasn't released yet byebye nokia byebye N900 forever maybe switching for some real companies like Apple Iphone sorry nokia but the truth says they know at least when they are gona release it after announcing the device ! or the HTC HD2 since it's gona be nice thnx nokia :@ :@
lol. Grow a brain.

quingu 2009-10-22 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 355625)
lol. Grow a brain.
rofl, he said lol...

sort it out, you two. didn't you learn to be quiet when adults are talking?

les_garten 2009-10-22 18:40
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Everybody interested in Windows Mobile, please EXIT to the right. Don't worry about that drop off, it's probably not fatal.

Exit Stage RIGHT

RevdKathy 2009-10-22 18:41
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
That looks like the Minack!! But it's not South Florida!


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