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Bratag 2009-11-02 03:31

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Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 363426)
I'm waiting for my pre-order like everyone else. And when I get it, I'll write a few free apps for it. I like the device, but I'm no fanboy and will point out negatives.

What are you doing here?

At the moment reading the half dozen threads where you point out every single flaw you can possibly find in the n900. You could of course have be using the time to download the SDK/emulator and start coding as I have, but that would take away valuable bagging time.

Honestly though - you are really suggesting that they designed the dimensions of the n900 around the stylus?

Texrat 2009-11-02 03:53

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Originally Posted by eean (Post 363292)
Have you seen any thumb-friendly websites recently? Really a stylus is a must for any device that wants a decent web experience. Its worth 15min. of battery life

zoom zoom zoom...

Laughing Man 2009-11-02 03:58

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Texrat, I don't know whether to laugh or groan at that terrible reference. =P

Texrat 2009-11-02 04:52

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You could always Thank. :D

RevdKathy 2009-11-02 08:28

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I'm working on the principle that if the n900 is a tight squeeze into my back pocket, the solution is simple. Lose some thickness off my butt. I can do that without reducing any functionality in either n900 or backside, In fact, it might improve my form factor. :p

Crim 2009-11-02 10:25

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Phonearena has a cool tool to compare the N900 with other phones and objects http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/phon...s.php?id=4008&

McChicken 2009-11-02 11:23

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Originally Posted by mikec (Post 362975)

by the way how on earth did you choose a screen name like Mc Chicken .....or should I not ask?:)

Ohhh...McChicken..the story is way long and really out of topic...will someday put the story on my profile...somethings you learn to live with....LOL

pelago 2009-11-02 13:48

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Originally Posted by God (Post 363603)
Who phones with the phone to the ear anyway?!

99% of the people I ever see using their phones.

Laughing Man 2009-11-02 17:50

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The problem is remembering to bring headphones, I don't use my phone that often, and if I do it's usually for short bursts (10-15 minutes). It's rare for me to go past the 30 minute mark (by the time if I'm near my bluetooth headphones I'll just go grab them).

Though now that the n900 supports AD2P I'll be bringing my bluetooth headphones with me more often.

GeneralAntilles 2009-11-02 18:13

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Originally Posted by God (Post 363819)
1: it's not healthy to have that radiation next to your ear all the time(especially people who use it A LOT).

Do you also avoid walking under powerlines?

Arguably it's not healthy to have it next to somewhere else all of the time either, but neither of these claims are supported by scientific evidence.

Den in USA 2009-11-02 18:16

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 363847)
Do you also avoid walking under powerlines?

Arguably it's not healthy to have it next to somewhere else all of the time either, but neither of these claims are supported by scientific evidence.

I was going to say something also, but was afraid to contradict "GOD".

MrGrim 2009-11-02 19:36

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Dear God (pun intended ;) ), maybe you should pick a screen-name more appropriate to your mortal vulnerabilities
Also, i'm curious where you keep your phone while you wisely use the headphones to avoid radiation. Talking through a phone that is in another room is kinda strange
I remember having lots of laughs seeing people use a particularly *****ic model of headphones, which they had to hold up with their hands (!) to make themselves heard over the badly-positioned microphone. Talk about hands-free. Hurray for off-topic!

Texrat 2009-11-02 19:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 363847)
Arguably it's not healthy to have it next to somewhere else all of the time either, but neither of these claims are supported by scientific evidence.

Actually, yeah, they are. The problem is that not all tests have been conducted with the same protocols and so there's dispute over what the positive results mean.

Nokia has in fact taken heed to testing that shows some adverse effects (note: this subject is not limited to cancer) due to extended cell phone usage and issued cautionary statements in that regard.

GeneralAntilles 2009-11-02 20:36

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 363932)
Actually, yeah, they are. The problem is that not all tests have been conducted with the same protocols and so there's dispute over what the positive results mean.

Scientific is the operative term. :)

Texrat 2009-11-02 20:38

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 363956)
Scientific is the operative term. :)

I stand by my statement, including that qualifier.

Differing protocols and/or conclusions among experiments does not mean any were unscientific.

EDIT: Nokia has acknowledged the scientific basis of at least some European testing.

rm42 2009-11-02 20:40

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...in_cancer.html

Edit:
Here is a better link:
http://www.switched.com/2009/10/27/c...-organization/

Texrat 2009-11-02 21:46

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Unfortunately that issue tends to be too political.

But to tie it all together... can we assume that device thickness helps prevent ill effects?

:D

RevdKathy 2009-11-02 21:50

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 364013)
Unfortunately that issue tends to be too political.

But to tie it all together... an we assume that device thickness helps prevent ill effects?

:D

No, but presumably keeping it in the back pocket (thickness permitting) will reduce the risk of brain cancer. For most of us, anyway. ;)

Den in USA 2009-11-02 21:52

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 364016)
No, but presumably keeping it in the back pocket (thickness permitting) will reduce the risk of brain cancer. For most of us, anyway. ;)

Butt wouldn't that increase the risk of colon cancer?

Laughing Man 2009-11-02 22:11

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Nah, skin cancer. You see it has to go through all that skin to get to your colon. (not a jab, honest).

attila77 2009-11-02 22:11

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That depends on butt size.

mikec 2009-11-02 22:42

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Am I thick or has this thread gone off course:D

Alex Atkin UK 2009-11-03 00:23

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Originally Posted by God (Post 364102)
Oh, jeeze, did I just cause everyone to hyperventilate over my comment? *giggle*

I keep my phone in an anti-radiation case, while using my headphones :-) tyvm

http://www.techfieber.de/photos/albu...ther-case.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/...bile_Case.html

Surely if that worked you wouldn't get a signal as it would need to be designed on a per-phone basis according to where the device has its antenna.

Also, who in their right mind keeps their phone in their back pocket? That is asking for it to be either nicked or you will (sooner or later) forget and sit on it.

I must admit I prefer to keep mine in my inside coat pocket but mostly use it for short bursts without headphones. I do not like the fact that means its near my chest but its safer all around. I tend to put it in my pocket with the screen facing my chest figuring the antenna is on the back so its then optimum reception and pointing away from me. (they do design these things to transfer less radiation towards your head theoretically) That also does bring us on topic as quite probably yes, the thicker the device the less radiation is escaping out of the front of it. Although you will still be cooking your hands when you hold it. :p

cb474 2009-11-03 01:44

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Yeah, I don't really belive the anti-radiation case could work either. The radiation is the signal. I.e. eletromagnetic radiation.

Quote:

Electromagnetic radiation (often abbreviated E-M radiation or EMR) is a ubiquitous phenomenon that takes the form of self-propagating waves in a vacuum or in matter. It consists of electric and magnetic field components which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy propagation. Electromagnetic radiation is classified into several types according to the frequency of its wave; these types include (in order of increasing frequency and decreasing wavelength): radio waves, microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays. A small and somewhat variable window of frequencies is sensed by the eyes of various organisms; this is what we call the visible spectrum, or light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
If the case kept the "radiation"/signal from "getting out" then your cell phone wouldn't work. It wouldn't be able to communicate with the tower. And it couldn't just block the signal one way either. It would block the incoming signal too. So you'd have no reception at all. Perhaps somehow the antenna could be left unblocked, as Alan Atkin UK suggests, but that would mean as he says that the case would have to be custom designed for the specific phone model and it's antenna position. And it seems to me that would also defeat the purpose of the case (once the signal gets out, you're getting irradiated).

RevdKathy 2009-11-03 08:26

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I find it reassuring that God won't be killed by the radiation from His cellphone.

Blooming heck!!!! Now people are tweeting that n900 causes cancer!!! For crying out loud, will you people watch what you say? n900 uses the SAME SYSTEM as any other phone!!!!

omniscy 2009-11-03 10:15

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Originally Posted by God (Post 364102)
Oh, jeeze, did I just cause everyone to hyperventilate over my comment? *giggle*

I keep my phone in an anti-radiation case, while using my headphones :-) tyvm

http://www.techfieber.de/photos/albu...ther-case.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/...bile_Case.html

Why not wear an aluminum hat?

MrGrim 2009-11-03 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by omniscy (Post 364355)
Why not wear an aluminum hat?

Actually, that really would give radiation protection for the head. As for the casing, as Alex very well pointed out, it simply can't work. The laws of physics don't allow it to. But then again, we are talking about God here...
Kathy, most people will be scared idiots whenever they have the opportunity. Just let them be, or better yet, have a laugh at them (no god, that's not related to you ;) )

RevdKathy 2009-11-03 10:36

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Originally Posted by MrGrim (Post 364364)
Actually, that really would give radiation protection for the head. As for the casing, as Alex very well pointed out, it simply can't work. The laws of physics don't allow it to. But then again, we are talking about God here...
Kathy, most people will be scared idiots whenever they have the opportunity. Just let them be, or better yet, have a laugh at them (no god, that's not related to you ;) )

I was more worried about damaging publicity for the n900 crashing sales and Nokia's stock market count because of a little paranoia here.

They're probably listening to us through the powerpoint holes in the walls...

(Should that be a lead helmet, rather than aluminium? Just for real safety. Though it might weight a bit...)

qwerty12 2009-11-03 17:21

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I'm wondering why God would fear some minor waves... I am just human and I could not give a **** about them.

Andre Klapper 2009-11-03 17:22

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I normally have my collection of cellphones always near to my balls. It's way safer and also cheaper than contraception, and it makes me look quite potent, which I am not.

RevdKathy 2009-11-03 17:24

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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 364636)
I normally have my collection of cellphones always near to my balls. It's way safer and also cheaper than contraception, and it makes me look quite potent, which I am not.

That might be because you kep your cellphone down there.

Imagine the disappointment of the lady fooled by your codpiece? You'd better have some good games installed on those phones!

Texrat 2009-11-03 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 364365)
I was more worried about damaging publicity for the n900 crashing sales and Nokia's stock market count because of a little paranoia here.

The paranoia actually seems to be on twitter...

RevdKathy 2009-11-03 17:49

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 364657)
The paranoia actually seems to be on twitter...

Indeed, but one can only guess they caught it from here. Most of the twitter information on n900 seems to originate here. In particular dates. ;)

MrGrim 2009-11-03 18:07

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 364660)
Indeed, but one can only guess they caught it from here. Most of the twitter information on n900 seems to originate here. In particular dates. ;)

Well, that's easy. Just spam lots of "oh, look how safe and harmless the n900 is!" threads. That should easily convince the mass of gullible twatters

bugelrex 2009-11-07 20:31

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Check out what the 'average joe' is saying about the Droid form factor (thickness and weight). I can only imagine the response when they see the n900


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10392456-1.html

..."While reviewers have praised the Droid's software, the physical design of the device is a bit clunky. And the device itself is heavier than many other phones in its class. For this reason, among others, Patel said he'd take the weekend to think over his Droid purchase.
"I really don't want to be carrying around a 100-pound block in my pocket," he said. "I can already imagine it weighing down the pocket of my cargo shorts in the summer. So I have to really think about whether I want to lug this thing around for two years."...

Bratag 2009-11-07 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 368338)
Check out what the 'average joe' is saying about the Droid form factor (thickness and weight). I can only imagine the response when they see the n900


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10392456-1.html

..."While reviewers have praised the Droid's software, the physical design of the device is a bit clunky. And the device itself is heavier than many other phones in its class. For this reason, among others, Patel said he'd take the weekend to think over his Droid purchase.
"I really don't want to be carrying around a 100-pound block in my pocket," he said. "I can already imagine it weighing down the pocket of my cargo shorts in the summer. So I have to really think about whether I want to lug this thing around for two years."...

Yep - fortunately unlike you and your continual nitpicking, the rest of us get round this problem by NOT GIVING A RATS *** about the average Joe. Let them buy their own goddamn device, I am buying this one for me.

twoboxen 2009-11-07 23:58

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 368460)
Yep - fortunately unlike you and your continual nitpicking, the rest of us get round this problem by NOT GIVING A RATS *** about the average Joe. Let them buy their own goddamn device, I am buying this one for me.

Why do I feel like I should stand up and applaud?

bugelrex 2009-11-08 00:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 368460)
Yep - fortunately unlike you and your continual nitpicking, the rest of us get round this problem by NOT GIVING A RATS *** about the average Joe. Let them buy their own goddamn device, I am buying this one for me.

Of course, the only people who should buy the N900 are unix guru's and hardcore deveoper's, much like yourself. Its not like you still live with your parents and work minimum wage, right?

If the n900 does not sell well, it could easily be shelved by Nokia bean counters. We need the n900 to appeal to average joes for long term success.

Bratag 2009-11-08 00:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 368463)
Of course, the only people who should buy the N900 are unix guru's and hardcore deveoper's, much like yourself. Its not like you still live with your parents and work minimum wage, right?

If the n900 does not sell well, it could easily be shelved by Nokia bean counters. We need the n900 to appeal to average joes for long term success.

And if it does get shelved we will of course have to send our devices back to Nokia for destruction, those are the rules .... oh wait no they arent. The device will still be a wonder of technology and because it is in fact for the most part a community supported device it will continue to grow and get better.

But look I have had this conversation with you before and again I say - why in the name of hell are you still here. Honestly every goddamn post you make is either derogatory towards the device, or comparing it with something else, or asking for the umpteenth time "WHAAA WHAT ABOUT AVERAGE JOE".

Seriously by a goddamn iPhone already, you cant get more idiot, I mean average joe, likable than that phone.

On a final note - what the fudge would you have them do about the thickness of the device now 7 days or less before release? Get out their belt sanders and knock a few millimeters off?

Ovek 2009-11-08 00:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 368463)
Of course, the only people who should buy the N900 are unix guru's and hardcore deveoper's, much like yourself. Its not like you still live with your parents and work minimum wage, right?

If the n900 does not sell well, it could easily be shelved by Nokia bean counters. We need the n900 to appeal to average joes for long term success.

I don't think Nokia expects the n900 sales to be earth shattering brilliant, remember its "only" step 4... ;)


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