Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Agreed. I will start working on some videos.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Yes you CAN rip the iphone a new one cause it's missing those features. That's PERFECTLY fine! I mean that is essentially what people complain about the iPhone the most right? It's lack of options/openess. BUT just because the n900 has said features does not mean it's excused or exempt in other area's, particularly in the UI department. That's my basic point.

Although I disagree, I do understand your point. But the question I keep asking myself about this phone is, why can't it be pretty ANNNND awesome??

I think Nokia can do it and is very capable, they just need to focus on the UI and user experience a bit more. imo of course.

p.s. I'm in no way an Apple die hard but I appreciate the enormous amount of effort they put into the making the phone so usable. The n900 beats it flat out in terms of features however the UI just isn't there yet for me and I think that is what's holding me back from getting REALLY excited about the device.

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For iPhone comparison arguments see above post. The fact is the N900 IS CAPABLE of running many things BECAUSE of the hardware and the OS that the iphone cannot.


As far as Android kicking sort of *** its taken a year and 4 releases of the OS to get to that point and believe me when I say I had one of the first G1's and went through MUCH pain before it got to this point.
If you like come back in a year when the N900 and maemo 5 have been out for 12 months and if the issues still exist I might let you make the Android comparison

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Actually #s 3 and 4 are possible. I've got to go and find the posts (Engadget or Gizmodo had it) where someone pulled it off with a Jailbroken iPhone (no way that's happening to a legal iPhone).

EDIT: http://gizmodo.com/282139/iphone-can...en-source-apps - there you go ;)

The devices will be compared, whether its valid to some here or not. User experience is one metric for 3.5in-screened mobile devices that's actually a pretty consistent and easy gage. Functionality of the device is not what people (new-ish) here, are debating.

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Point is this, every other Phone Company solved all these problems years ago. And None of them specially Apple released a phone or operating system that was in development. Nokia is the biggest phone maker in the world. you would think they might be able to make a phone/operating system that was atleast as good as a three year old device/system. And to leave out basic features and compatibilities for the end user to solve, thats just a pitty. The N900 has not been marketed as project. It has been released as an end user finished product. and it seems more and more it is falling short.

And a side note, when I first started looking at this site, community. I was very impressed, people trying to help,solve, create. Yet them more I read the more I see a bunch of self serving bitter people that think they no it all, and do nothing but rag, criticize, demean any opinion that differs from their own. Or when any question is asked that they think is beneath them.. If this is really what Maemo is about , Tradgic. And this is going to be a shot lived project.

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Have you noticed something slightly strange about all the people saying 'The N900 is garbage' - none of them seem to want to sell their phone, even though they will be offered a big premium to what they paid.

Now, I would love to get my hands on the N900. I *love* the N810 and the N800. I'm very happy with a Linux command line, and I think that before long most of the debian and Ubuntu repositiories will be available on my phone.

To me, that *is* megacool.

So, come on N900 haters, sell me your N900.

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btw, I exclude sr1329 from this. she has been cogent and intelligent in her criticisms. they're fair, and they're issues i'm happy to deal with.

interestingly, she doesn't notice *any* of the problems with multitasking that megacool does, although she is critical of the resistive touch screen and scrolling through menus and lists,

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When I first came here there weren't as many whingers running around crying that they bought a phone and it doesn't give them a backrub while making phone calls. As I have stated before - there were demo after demo after demo of the phones features. Its not like they were not able to be informed.

I have two expectations from this phone

1) I can make and receive phone calls
2) It runs Linux

Everything else can be fixed in software :)

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

That helpfulness quickly goes away when your idea of trying to get help or support comes from insulting the device other people like. You'll find that on any community, heck I can go to an iPhone board right now, start a thread called "iPhone - Yes, it sucks," and you will get the same result. You'll see that with nearly anything.

How should this topic have been started?

Title: Jerky, weird scrolling browser (browser lag, or something like that).

Post: Talk about what your seeing (e.g. the jerky weird scrolling behavior), ask if anybody else has this issue. And if necessary post a picture and video to help explain the issue.

Yelling about how it sucks and how it's inferior other devices isn't going help you out at all.

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Then you should get the G1 - it's significantly cheaper and it can do what you require. Heck, you can get an S60 phone and a full blown Linux netbook for a combined price that's cheaper than the N900.

If that is all the N900 is, Nokia needs to change its advertising because the N900 overview, features, and specifications pages seem to describe a great phone that is also a very smart phone.

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No but it does provide some entertainment. Also, it's the truth. Complaining about a jerky browser that nobody here will be able to solve is pretty much pointless. On the other hand, this thread might help some people decide if they should buy this or not.

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a) It's not a phone
b) Music Player takes up to 25% of the CPU. Application Manager can use quite a lot of resources, too.
c) My N900 sometimes gets very slow and pretty unusable, so I have to reboot (probably memory/swapping or Tracker running amok or whatever). Had once a phone call hang the device. But then: pre-production unit and firmware, abused by installing dozens of apps from extras-devel and hacking around endlessly. 2500 songs, 1000 pictures, 48 GB of memory :-)
d) If the browser gets slow, it can well be because of multiple flash containers in a page or similar hyperloaded webpages. On average news sites, I never ever had a problem.

Come on, nothing is perfect, but file bugs in bugzilla and help Nokia make this thing even better. For me, after 6 weeks of intense use, it's still the JESUS-Comcomcom (Compact communication computer) :-)

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Didnt really give the community a chance to try did you - good luck with that, congratulations on wasting your money :)

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I believe Bratag already had a G1. And the S60 + a netbook solution doesn't work when your goal is to reduce the amount of devices carried, not increase. =P. If that were the case I would have already gotten an Android phone + Linux netbook.

And yes I do think Nokia needs to change their advertising.

You can at least get troubleshooting help, and if it really is an issue with the n900 (considering others haven't really reported jerky browser issues) and not your particular unit, we can get it into bugzilla and vote it up so ideally it'll be fixed by Nokia quickly.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

True, but try to turn the other cheek. ;)

Remember that some of the disgruntled who come here will have just dropped around $500 on what they thought was going to be the greatest phone in the history of creation (or, at least, in the history of Nokia) and, at least in their minds, it isn't. This may be where they come to vent.

If they're venting about something that is scheduled to be fixed (or a missing app), tell them it's on the future release list. If they're venting about some issue that needs a bug report, ask them to file one or, better yet, help them file one. Don't just attack back.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I'll give up smooth scrolling in the browser so that I can run 50+ apps at the same time any day of the week - but I almost always have smooth scrolling in the web browser even when playing music anyways.

If the transitions bother you so much, turn them off completely then.

Also, remember, this is not the 5th and final step in Maemo's evolution. The 5th step is supposed to be what ends up competing with stuff like the iPhone, not the N900. So everything that would go into always making scrolling super smooth and other presentation bits are going to be concentrated at that point, not as much for Maemo 5.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I also do like Nokia!!! An I also have some complains about it.
How nokia can release mega cool phone leaving all simple futures that any boolshit phone had it 5 years ago? That is what i do not understand.
I remember some one said, "com one Nokia give us our phone! We do not care if it has bugs." Can you imagine how many complains would be made if they did it?
Even if they had problems with software it is not an excuse to leave out all simple futures.
I think they can not do it.
I am waiting for my preorder and i am not going to cancel my order.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

One tip about the scrolling: the kinetic scrolling on the N900 can go VERY fast if you "kick" it the right way. Learn to scroll in a large list (such as the apps with -test and -devel enabled) - I can kick through with two swipes :-)

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Haha I'm very bad at that. I'm the sort of person where if you **** me off enough, I'll fight back and then kick you in the balls for good measure. Luckily it takes alot to **** me off. (or little if I've been having a very very bad day).

Though it's interesting how martial arts temper your anger, you get knocked down to the ground alot so at some point you just stop getting angry about being knocked around.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Seems like I made the right choice waiting cause:
1) No ATT 3G
2) No sync and older apps won't work? So GPE suite is out of the question. Ermining out.
3) No MaemoMapper <--- absolute dealbreaker.

So I'll be waiting for a price drop and/or GPE and Maemomapper ports or equivalents but if someone has an 810 they'll part with for a decent price...well..a low price..I'll probably bite that to get the keyboard.

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I read and I loled. Go get the iPhone. You obviously don't understand the N900 not one bit. I feel sorry for you. Really funny how you list all the good things, but then your conclusion is "garbage"..haha..and more thing, technically the N900 is better then the iPhone in every way, fact. The iPhone is NOT a smartphone.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

so scrolling is not smooth in maemo 5?. Why oh why is Nokia struggling with a basic feature like Kinetic scrolling ? They still havent added this to the 5800 and the n97 implementation is quite mediocre. It seems they have very average UI developers and average wont cut it when competing with UI whizzes at Apple and HTC.

If I find this to be the case, then I may send back to Nokia and get a moto milestone. The n810 is good enough for me - I paid only £120 so I expect more from n900 at almost 4 times tht price.

Nokia, wake up !

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

at least yesterday there was a pile of gpe-software in extras-testing...

e:what's wrong with scrolling? i havent got any complaints.

i am falling in love more and more to my n900, will sell it if somebody pays 6000€....

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Err..

2) Don't know about the older applications not working. It seems dependent on what's missing in Maemo 5 compared to Maemo 4 since some things were removed.

3) There is MaemoMapper coming for Maemo 5... Gnuite may not be working on it anymore (consider he works for Google now) but there are other developers working on it.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Nobody else has reported slow scrolling - in fact quite the opposite - dont take the ramblings of a disgruntled single user as fact.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I will drop a few words in:

I have been a regular visitor of these forums for a few years (since I purchased my N800) and I agree that the crew here can get pretty deffensive when in presence of negative comments about Nokia stuff (justified or not). Then you have the common "search the forums" answer when a newbie asks something. The problem with this is that the search algorithm (IMO) is not great, every time I look for something it takes several attempts and there is no gurantee that you will be presented the "best" solution on top. With that said, and 10 pages of comments later, the originator of this thread hasn't provided proof of the chopiness he is complaining about. And I agree that he should have expressed himself in a different way (was cursing really necessary?). To give him the benefit of the doubt, he is probably upset with his purchase and was just venting.

I do not own a N900 .. preordered on Amazon and later cancelled it. In case you are wondering why, the lack of 3G support on AT&T did it for me (specs on Amazon were wrong at first). I'm a happy Blackberry user but still trapped with EDGE data rates. Why would Nokia not include the AT&T 3G frequency? Switching carriers is not an option for me because I have a company-owned line.

This post turned out longer than I expected, but after reading the 10 pages of comments I felt tempted to say something. I find the Canola team to be a good example of how to react to criticism (good or bad). No Canola for N900??????? Well, another reason not to buy it ... YET.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Megacrazy, maybe you have a faulty device or maybe you're right about everything you said, but opening a thread with this name is very immature. There is already a thread for owners opinions, why do you think that your opinion is super important? Should we all open a thread when we get our devices? I respect your opinion, but i don't get it - why do you need to yell so hard and try to tell the whole world how you are unhappy with this device. Do you think this kind of attitude helps someone? I think you're only gonna confuse somebody. "it sucks, but i'll enjoy it"
Enjoy it then.

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Yh Android does and it did so long before the N900. The T-Mobile G1 (and e.g. HTC Hero) run FULL Debian. Yes, they also support native X11, so you can run KDE, LXDE, IceWM whatever you want. So what your point again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8yBH...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjNhG...layer_embedded

Even better: it's a 1-click install for G1 owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529233
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.ph...e=Debian_on_G1
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/co...9&id=1620#1620

So yh u get the best of both worlds: Android and full Debian on 1 device. When u need it u got full Debian in the palm of ur hand, when when u're finished u just switch back to a very nice smartphone OS. There's no emulation whatsoever and u don't need to wipe Android. Just slap the Debian ARM image onto a SD card, download an App from Market and you're set to go.

Windows Mobile 6.5/7 basically have quite good Office support. And basically Open Office is kinda bloated (it uses more resources and is slower than Microsoft Office, look it up) and hasn't got any touchscreen support - and the N900 doesn't have a trackball or D-Pad. And it's just silly to run something bloated like Open Office on a portable device. A lot of companies are moving to smartclients and webservices, look at Intel Moblin OS, look at Google Chrome OS, look at Microsoft's WebOffice.

In a couple of years time, writing office documents will be like webmail. Most people don't use local email any longer, and office on the internet allows you to access and share your documents anywhere and anytime, and you always have the most current version of the document in reach.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Yeah the search is terrible, you get better results if you were to go to google.com and type in site:talk.maemo.org than if you used the built in one. Don't know if the new power search is any better though. Interestingly I've noticed that where I worked too where despite having a google powered search, the results will be different than had you done a site search.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Um actually what they run is an image within a virtual machine. I dont know if you have played with it much but its by far and away a novelty as opposed to something that can be viably used.

Not saying it isnt cool - just not really a valid comp

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

What are you wankers moaning about?

http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/09/canola-on-n900.html

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Here we go some real life scrolling in the browser, flash off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8JeLKKfDDM

If you want a comparative iPhone vid I can do that too but I think it's pretty much self explanatory. I might cover the actual OS later.

As far as the unit being defective...come on...seriously.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Interesting, I may be considering Android sooner than I thought then. Though is this persistent? E.g. what happens if I upgrade the Android OS?

As for the future, I'm not buying a device in the future. I'm buying a device now for what it can do now (granted I keep it for at least 3 years). When the future comes then that's when I'll be evaluating again what can be done with what devices out there. I also tend to have a bias against online tools (I just use them for storage mostly) since you may not always have access to them [if the service ever goes down even for temporary reasons] and it's dependent on being connected (can be solved with better network access) . Though Google Gears was nice while it lasted since it allowed you to work offline and then sync the changes back online.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

It doesn't run in a virtual machine, it runs natively. Because Debian supports ARM. So basically Debian is able to run on any smartphone that has an ARM CPU.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Mine is still scrolling smoothly.

Am I doing something wrong? :rolleyes:

They aren't. Scrolling is as smooth as teflon-coated silk. Take the hyperbolic comments with a huge grain of salt.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I stand corrected

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Ohh! Are you running Open Office too? Can we have a bear-of-very-little-brain walk-thru on how that's done? (I know it has been done). Prett please?

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It's not difficult to run Debian on ARM. The difficulty is getting access to your phone's hardware. HTC devices (like G1, HERO) are quite open to development, so it was a lot easier for the community to built boatloaders and gain access to other hardware in the phone. So, don't get your hopes up for the Droid yet. The Droid hasn't even been truely rooted yet. Fortunately HTC is upcoming with a Snapdragon Android device (and highres screen etc). Yes it is persistent because you run it from the SD card. And Android OS doesn't touch your SD card.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Can't wait until an installable package is created!

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Okay imo, I do not agree totally with the OP, but he/she does make some valid points (although in an obtrusive manner). I think we all have to be a little more realistic in what to expect from the device. Much of what the OP is complaining about is software related and could be fixed via firmware updates. However,this is a new iteration of the OS, and it appears Nokia was not expecting this type of response to the device, which has led to this device's mishandled launch. Therefore, I would expect a few things to be a little off. Most of what the OP listed may have to do with that particular device, as I have not seen many reports of these "bugs" from others of whom have received the device or have a pre-prod unit with final release firmware. I would say report these issues through the proper channels and as I have witnessed from the dedication of this community and commitment from Nokia, I am sure they will be addressed.

In regards to the Iphone & Android comparisons, they are going to happen. It is unfortunate, but they are going to happen. Are they directly comparable? Imo, No. Also, I think this is the first time Nokia is committing the same amount of resources Apple and Google put into the Iphone and Android respectively. I look at it like this: Nokia has a vast catalog of devices that it manages and builds up each year, with 3 OSes (S40, S60, Maemo) that it supports. Maemo to me is now beginning to be prepped for the "mainsteream", where as before it was limited to a "niche" product. This is in comparison to Apple who has one smartphone and one mobile OS (in terms of mobile devices), and Google has one mobile OS. All three platforms have things that they lack (none are perfect no matter how much we want them to be) and things that each does very well. Imo I think Maemo is catching up to be right where it should be as far as its capabilities are concerned, and will speed up once its fully released on the public.

Now as far as this goes:
HELL to the Naw, I can't get with that. My confidence still lies with this platform, this community, Nokia, and this device (whenever it gets here).