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eltinio: msn works great, you need to install telepathy-haze, and then it integrates like the other account types.

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Flash 10 for ARM? Negative a month or two at least, probably.

Sure. The $10 donations will need to come first though, and we'll need enough of them to buy so many money hats that Adobe give up their happy, closed source, proprietary Flash world and open the code. Oh, and maybe some additional bags of cash for TI to help get acceleration going.

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Or we can have a go at porting Gnash - the most advanced free & open implementation of Flash, I believe (there are others but they aren't advancing because they're happy with the Flash level they support)...

Gnash is not there yet, but it's not too bad either, and the more popular it gets the better it's likely to get.

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I agree that the TI closedness sucks, and the PowerVR closedness sucks even more,

but is the N900's OpenGL ES 2.0 support insufficient for Flash?

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First let me say much props to RevdKathy for this thread. After the mayhem that ensued in another thread earlier, I think this thread will help bring some "calm to the troubled waters".

Here are my expectations:

1) Being able to stay connected: By this I mean whether it is through email, social networking sites, sms, voice, voip, etc. From what I have seen I think this device does that based on the services integrated, message consolidation, and the functionality within the contacts.

2) Organization/Productivity: Meaning a decent calender, note-taking app,and document editing/viewing.

3) Solid Build Quality: Nokia usually delivers in this area, and I think they have with the N900. Yes, it has a resistive screen, but it appears to be of great quality not some half-hearted attempt. The keyboard will take some getting used to (but so will any new device), but imo both are far more than usuable.

4) Browsing Experience: As it has been noted, the browser offers a far better experience than any other on the market, and there are still updates and new browsers in the pipeline. Also, since I am not into downloading 'x' amount of apps to do 'y' task(s) imo having an extremely capable browser eliminates some of that need.

5) Multimedia: Playing back music and video in various formats. As for the N900, looks like it does this okay to me.

6) Storage: Do I want to take my entire music/video collection and all my other files with me? No. But, the N900 does offer more than enough to keep me from having to tote my laptop/portable HDs/flash drives everywhere.

7) Camera: Nokia always impresses in this department, so 'nuff said. I am not looking to replace my digital camera, I just want to be able to take decent photos/video during those impulse "Kodak" moments.

Finally, I think the N900 does everything I want it to, plus more. The fact that it is open source/Linux and all the things that come with that are a bonus FOR ME. Does it do EVERYTHING PERFECTLY? No. I understand, where this platform is in its development stage, and I am perfectly fine with that. I can deal with the current concerns that have been brought up. At the same time, I do demand a certain level of quality for anything I pay for, especially if it carries the "flagship" title. Yet and still, my confidence in this device, OS platform, Nokia, and this community has not wavered. I reiterate that I have yet to receive my N900 (c'mon Dell/Nokia help me out here) but based on what I have seen, it appears to be the device to suit MY NEEDS, based upon how I OPERATE.

Thanks.

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Is there something you need from aMSN that the built-in Conversations engine does not provide?

Granted, it would be nice to have features like Nudge, Voice Clips, File Transfer etc, but none of those are a deal breaker for me personally. I will be happy to use the existing, working, support for AIM, Yahoo and MSN that is easily installed from the Application Manager.

I would rather have basic support effectively built-in than have to run a separate application. As being able to merge contacts which have multiple logins on multiple services, is REALLY useful.

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i didnt expect much, even with no MMS or Portrait view.

But at least make sure the things you DO implement work flawlessly and have common sense options included in them. Ie. searching email, or a media player that WONT lag when you're advertising mult-tasking capability, oh and simple things like no lag when scrolling.

what Apple does well is, provide less capabilities but implement them FLAWLESSLY, instead of throwing everything into a box and having each thing have something slightly flawed with it.

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I've always been disappointed with Nokia's cameras, but maybe I picked handsets with weak cameras.

I'm delighted that the N900's camera is a very good one, and reports are that it not only has a good spec, the results are actually good too.

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Same here.

But, perhaps unusually, that's why I need an open phone.

I don't expect any existing productivity apps to fit my way of working. (Haven't found any yet.) Sure, there are handy tools like calendars and so on, but not much to really channel my workflow, give me the right sorts of reminders and promptings, help me coordinate projects, track my accounts when I make business purchases and so on.

Some try, but they just don't fit me very well.

I'm really excited about the prospect of developing a few tools that really fit me personally to run on the N900. Things that don't work very well on a regular computer, because it's not always with me or it's not convenient to switch on. Or just because it fits, somehow, to use a task a time tracker (for example) on a separate little device instead of yet another window on a cluttered desktop.

When I'm at the desk, I'm anticipating that I might not keep any more IM windows open on the computer, as instead the N900 may fill that role, and I can take it away from the desk without interrupting sessions. I wouldn't be surprised if the occasional Facebook check is done on the N900 instead of on the computer browser, too.

Something about separating tasks by physical object separation is coming to mind. Ironic, given it's a "convergence" device. What I'm expecting, or at least imagining, is for it to converge more of my communications, music and personal task management, allowing the "big" tools (laptop etc.) to be involved in less of those and somehow tidying up my brain's use of the laptop.

Or it could be a total fantasy and I spend loads of time tinkering with it :-)

Anyway, point is I'm imagining that I want to use it as a productivity tool - my way - and for that, I anticipate it's open source friendliness is essential. Otherwise I can't make it work for me, because I function better using personalised apps than using someone else's.

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You definitely read my mind :).

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Well, you should be asking Adobe about that since they are still working on the accelerated Flash 10 for ARM. The currently available Flash 9.4 is not accelerated as it wasn't on Desktop too.

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CarolinaBlueJay - were you channelling me while I was asleep?

(I usually choose SE cameras over Nokia but got suckered with the c905. That Carl Zeiss lens is hard to beat.)

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Sure I can just port it. It will just be a version that will be just slow as hell on the ARM platform without caring about hardware specific optimizations.
Reading your posting and how easy all this is, I just expect this to be what you requested here.

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Either swfdec or gnash - gnash is more actively maintained currently, but swfdec had better coverage last time I tried.

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So which of the things it was designed to do and which of the things it was said to do aren't working for you? You somehow missed to list those from your post.

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The "F'n problem" is that Flash 10 for ARM isn't ready yet. So how'd you expect something on the phone which isn't there?

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I expect an internet tablet rather than a phone. It's still Maemo not Symbian, Android or w/e.

I expect it to be the first nokia phone without the limitations, that are known from symbian phones.

I expect it to have the best mobile browsing experience on a 3,5" screen after Firefox mobile (aka. fennec) is out of beta.

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sry for double post, but needed to quote that.
Flash 10.1 for ARM will be released in Q1 next year.
Google Adobe Max 09 for mor information.

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You could do this with a customized ringtone for this X-guy ;)

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Except n900 doesn't have customised ringtones. Yet. (Besides which, no-one ever actually calls me on my mobile...)

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.. which was the point I was trying to make... ;)

About no-one calling you on your mobile: You can always change your signature in this forum. :p

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Lol, quite possibly :), just my 2 cents on the topic. I agree the SE cameras are amazing, I actually almost bought the c905 before I got my E71, but I have been impressed with the camera quality with the N97 and N86.

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Check out this thread - really good read
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35058

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Unfortunately for me, I now understand that the GPS is worse than on the N810 (due partly to a bug).
Anyway, it is now clear that the N900 is probably not going to meet my expectations in regard to GPS/navigation. :(

Anyone have thoughts on what it is going to take to resolve this?

How do we (end users) get bugs like this resolved as quickly as possible?

Since Google's turn-by-turn navigation can be made accessible on the G1, what would it take to get that on the N900?

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Oh, I dunno, making phone calls would be a pretty reasonable expectation at this stage after all these delays and other ****ups. Right?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075

Wrong.

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Uuuuuh. Nice one. I didn't see that coming. You can make phone calls with the N900 if the hardware is working.

Next try, please.

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That is precisely my point. I expected working hardware. Or is that too high an expectation for a £500 device?

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So all N900s have broken hardware? Or which point are you trying to make?

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So what did you expect?
TO AT LEAST CALL PEOPLE ON IT AND TALK.

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I can't say I've ever been shipped anything over £50 that has been non-functional for one of it's key advertised points, but if you consider that to be acceptable QA, then I'd like to know what you consider unacceptable.

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But the N900 is all you need for entertainment and communication. Who needs those other people?

:rolleyes: ;)

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I think its a valid concern that the device that any one of us may receive may have this fault, going off the amount of people it has happened to already. And YES there are X thousand in circulation, therefore statistically blah, blah... Thats not the point, it IS happening, to a LOT of people, so anyone else concerned tha after all this ****ing waiting and waiting, they may still end up waaaaitiing more for an RMA of the device.

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Someone in this thread said, that the N900 doesn't so, what it was advertised to do. And doesn't do what it was expected to do. Sure, there seem to be broken N900s out there, but that is neither "doesn't work as advertised", or "doesn't live up to the expectations with what nokia showed". This is just "plain broken", as bad as it is.

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people who are familiar with maemo will most likely like it, thoses who are not familair with maemo will most likely hate it.

power user vs everyday user.......most just wants a phone to work out of the box

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I expected to have the N900 to do 2 things quite well. Browse the web, and check email. I'm still holding off my judgement on the web, but as an email device, its HORRIBLE. I can't get it to sync with my gmail very well. Using exchange, its impossible, using IMAP, its buggy, slow, and crashing constantly. This is something a mobile device, especially one that touts itself as a mobile computer, should do very well. Whoever let this one slipped through the QA crack should be reprimanded.

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Poor email functionality is inexcusable, but a small share of broken devices that can simply be returned for a new one is something you simply need to accept, be it a N900 or a HD2.

But yeah, I wont pass judgement on the email functionality yet as I wont be getting the device until next week, but I really hope its good enough..

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I think the point of "work out of the box" should count for everything in life. You dont buy a car & get it the next day without a motor, do you?

Are you trying to say that the N900 is a puzzle that you first have to put together before it works? :/ WTF

It should work perfectly fine OUT-OF-THE-BOX, the fact that it's running Maemo/Linux & it's not a regular OS like others is something else. But the N900 is newb-friendly & it's being advertised as a "normal" device that can behave like a PC. If it would be that mysterious & complicated, it wouldn't be commercialized like that.

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I bought a new laptop from a shop, which worked fine in the shop, and then wouldn't boot at all when I got it home. Not even BIOS.

Back to shop, replace as "DOA".

It happens.

Yes there have been a number of reports of N900 faults. There's some similar faults, implying a design or manufacturing issue. But among how many delivered N900s total? We don't know. So we don't know if it's 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, or 1 in 50000.

Take heart in what people have said to me several times: Electronic goods tend to either work for a long time, or fail in the first few weeks. If you get past the first few weeks it's probably going to be fine.

Still, we could really do with a "How should I systematically test my new N900 does not have any hardware faults" list. Anyone want to start a thread? (I won't because I don't have one yet)

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no..no..no..should be fired :mad:

love the device though but i need email and I am willing to pay for Exchange if this will make my n900 work efficiently

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With the benefit of 3G data, keyboard and good screen, I intended to read my mail by SSHing into my server and using Mutt :p