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vitaly_repin 2009-11-26 19:36
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dba (Post 394394)
Does "mfe and related components" include imap-idle?
Sure.

Quote:
I've already voted for #3888 and added myself to the cc: list, but it would be well appreciated if you happen to know the proper person to nudge to make this happen.
I am one of the proper persons :-) Your feedback will be delivered.

tecnophone 2009-11-26 19:48
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi Vitaly_repin

And about this BUG? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762


What is the solution at the moment?

vitaly_repin 2009-11-26 19:58
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394200)
MFE team to implement more reasonable sync periods (2 months, 3 month and 6 months)
Coming back to this topic.

Check these specs: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...weight%29.aspx

What we can do for email is: "No filter- synchronize all items", "1 day back", "3 days back", "1 week back", "2 weeks back", "1 month back".

The list of the sync. windows currently supported for email: 1day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, All messages.

So, all the options supported by MS Exchange (server side) are covered. See nothing which can be improved here.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-26 20:03
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tecnophone (Post 394423)
Hi Vitaly_repin

And about this BUG? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762

What is the solution at the moment?
Better to ask Sergio (author of this comment: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c15) about the status.

I will try to ping him tomorrow.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-26 20:13
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nokiafarce (Post 393953)
errr would it be too much to ask, to see your folders that include the emails???? and then the emails inside the folders...
No. And I see them (yes, lucky me!). And everybody around me can see them. As well as the testers. As well as the real users.

Quote:
Is it not this the reason, we use exchange?

You can call it a minor bug if you want, I take it you do not use exchange?
I use. If you got this issue with Exchange 2007, I am really sorry about this. I am serious - myself and all the development team are REALLY sorry about this.

But could you help us to identify the problem? This is the only way to fix it. Could you file a bug here: https://bugs.maemo.org/ Put me in cc. i will communicate with you personally.

If you don't have time to file a bug - do you have time for short chat in IRC/skype/gtalk/whatever? I really want to understand what is the root cause for your problem. In order to do this, I need to get more detailed report from you than plain "subfolders do not work".

Again, sorry for the issues you are facing.

tecnophone 2009-11-26 20:14
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394454)
Better to ask Sergio (author of this comment: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c15) about the status.

I will try to ping him tomorrow.
Thanks a lot!

I have asked to Sergio

Uff, for me is a big problem!

Chheers

vitaly_repin 2009-11-26 20:22
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 394083)
Um. Which part of 'community development' doesn't make sense? How's anyone supposed to get even slightly involved if you won't even tell people what you're working on?

This is not a marketing issue.
In my opinion this is (concrete plans about the future) 100% marketing issue.

I have read the discussion in this thread on the topic you have raised here. It is more generic than MfE. Much more generic. Could you create a separate thread in this forum to discuss this and put a link to that thread here? So, everybody who is interested (including myself) can continue discussion in the separate thread. Just in order not to mix different issues in one thread.

ossipena 2009-11-26 20:40
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394123)
But there is one project which is very close to this target:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX


The number of digits after the dot sign in its version number is equal to the number of bugs found during its lifetime.

So, the fun starts:

$ tex --version
TeX 3.1415926

Count it yourself :-)
sorry, all I can see is pi ;)

johnnyrockets911 2009-11-26 20:58
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394454)
Better to ask Sergio (author of this comment: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c15) about the status.

I will try to ping him tomorrow.
Just to copy for people who don't want to click:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio Villar Senin
I'll try to clarify things a little bit. Basically Modest becomes very slow and
it even seems to hang because the code that performs the sorting is the same
code that shows the contents in the screen. As these two things cannot be done
at the same time, if sorting takes too much time, then showing the application
or attending user requests will be delayed.

The technical explanation is that the list of headers is like this:
(GtkTreeSortable (GtkTreeModelFilter (TnyHeaderListModel)))

We need filtering to remove deleted but not expunged headers among some other
reasons, and sorting, well it's obvious. Thing is that the sorting and
filtering happen inside gtk+. Being single-threaded code, gtk+ either sorts or
attend events or draw widgets, but it cannot do everything at the same time.

Now the good news :). We're working in an optimization for the
TnyHeaderListModel that will expose to the upper levels only a small subset of
messages to drastically reduce sorting and filtering times. Stay tuned.

.....

I already explained the reasons of that CPU consumption. In the case high IO
consumption it's because saving a summary file (which could be very big with
huge inboxes) is a terribly slow operation in a flash storage. That's why we
also reduced the amounts of writes.
-------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394470)
But could you help us to identify the problem? This is the only way to fix it. Could you file a bug here: https://bugs.maemo.org/ Put me in cc. i will communicate with you personally.

If you don't have time to file a bug - do you have time for short chat in IRC/skype/gtalk/whatever? I really want to understand what is the root cause for your problem. In order to do this, I need to get more detailed report from you than plain "subfolders do not work".

Again, sorry for the issues you are facing.
Wow, you are willing to chat with users about issues. I have never seen a company do that. That is very impressive! Wow!

:) :cool:

Andre Klapper 2009-11-26 23:08
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyrockets911 (Post 394564)
Just to copy for people who don't want to click
As written in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c18 , the issue is fixed internally and the fix will be available in the next update. I can confirm here that it works.

The topic that Nokia only pushes a few public, big updates from time to time instead of doing this more often, or even have some beta testing for those volunteers willing to do is something for another thread.

And yes, it's not cool that there is no workaround currently. :-/

johnnyrockets911 2009-11-26 23:14
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 394753)
As written in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c18 , the issue is fixed internally and the fix will be available in the next update. I can confirm here that it works.
Wait, are you a MfE developer too?

Also, is there somewhere the public can download a mini-update with the fix?

ewan 2009-11-26 23:15
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394486)
In my opinion this is (concrete plans about the future) 100% marketing issue.
Well, I disagree, but I certainly respect and appreciate what you've been doing in this thread.

Quote:
I have read the discussion in this thread on the topic you have raised here. It is more generic than MfE. Much more generic. Could you create a separate thread in this forum to discuss this and put a link to that thread here?
I will, but not right now - I want to be able to back up what I'm saying with concrete examples of what I'm talking about. I think we're trying to bridge somethng of a cultural divide here, and my simply asserting that things should be different probably isn't going to be the best way of doing that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyrockets911 (Post 394564)
Wow, you are willing to chat with users about issues. I have never seen a company do that. That is very impressive! Wow!

:) :cool:
It is impressive. My point, such as it is, is that I have seen it before, as a matter of routine with Linux distribution vendors, and I know that it works. Sometimes it's easy to forget that not everyone has the same free software background.

sxr71 2009-11-27 00:02
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394397)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitalyr...57255431/show/

Are you sure you don't have any MfE account configured already?



Server search - there is no question about feasibility. I mean, it is feasible.

Currently supported sync windows: 1day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month (!), All messages.

And as far as I remember this list is done in this a way not (only) because of User Interface designers but also because this is the list supported by Exchange. 90 days was requested and I am unsure this is supported by Exchange.



I know, trust me. I have tried all the available competing solutions on the market. This is part of my job.

I suppose to check whether M4E is really in the account type menu of the mail setup is actually there is also part of your job. If so, I guess actually checking is better than repeating someone's assumption. I too assumed it would be there.

sxr71 2009-11-27 00:04
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 394325)
I don't have my device yet, but Vitaly said after setting up an account, it won't allow you to do another. Could it be you don't see the other setup option because you've already set yours up?

I'm curious on this one, myself. Is SR overlooking something, or is Vitaly mistaken in the Mfe setup implementation? No one's perfect. But what are we talking about here, user error/overlooking or Maemo/Mfe setup features missing that they believe or expect to be there?


No need to bring up competition. I don't think Maemo is about winning a race. They want to serve the users. Try to focus on showing how useful the features are to YOU and others, not Apple and other "competitors".

Apple has a great fart simulator as well, which means nothing to Maemo if users don't find it useful. But if someone needs a fart simulator for a mission critical task, it makes more sense. So explaining use cases where it is needed is far more helpful.

I'm SO glad you're here, btw, SR. You're giving some good input different from what others are saying.

See what I mean by reading comprehension? If you had an adequate level, you would know that setting up Exchange mail is the first thing I do when I get a phone. Just to make sure you understand, a new phone does not have accounts configured yet.

sxr71 2009-11-27 00:05
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 394444)
Coming back to this topic.

Check these specs: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...weight%29.aspx

What we can do for email is: "No filter- synchronize all items", "1 day back", "3 days back", "1 week back", "2 weeks back", "1 month back".

The list of the sync. windows currently supported for email: 1day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, All messages.

So, all the options supported by MS Exchange (server side) are covered. See nothing which can be improved here.
Again, I told you 1 month + server search is acceptable.

johnnyrockets911 2009-11-27 00:34
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394840)
I suppose to check whether M4E is really in the account type menu of the mail setup is actually there is also part of your job. If so, I guess actually checking is better than repeating someone's assumption. I too assumed it would be there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394844)
See what I mean by reading comprehension? If you had an adequate level, you would know that setting up Exchange mail is the first thing I do when I get a phone. Just to make sure you understand, a new phone does not have accounts configured yet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394847)
Again, I told you 1 month + server search is acceptable.
What's the purpose of acting like a douchebag to everyone else in the thread? Including a Maemo developer even.

The very own MfE developer posted clear pictures showing that the account type setting shows up. So either A) It's not that simple, and having an antagonistic attitude like yours helps no one. Or B) YOU'RE doing something wrong. Lose the attitude and try actually leaning how to use the device.

sxr71 2009-11-27 01:07
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyrockets911 (Post 394888)
What's the purpose of acting like a douchebag to everyone else in the thread? Including a Maemo developer even.

The very own MfE developer posted clear pictures showing that the account type setting shows up. So either A) It's not that simple, and having an antagonistic attitude like yours helps no one. Or B) YOU'RE doing something wrong. Lose the attitude and try actually leaning how to use the device.
It does not appear. That's why he should use the device instead of relying on pictures of expected functionality.

This is exactly what happens:

It says "checking Nokia servers for service availability" and then when you go through the settings it only shows POP and IMAP - THAT'S IT. No Nokia messaging. No M4E.

The ONLY access to M4E on a US device is in the control panel.

You all should use the actual device. That's the first step to making the software better.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 05:39
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394840)
I suppose to check whether M4E is really in the account type menu of the mail setup is actually there is also part of your job. If so, I guess actually checking is better than repeating someone's assumption. I too assumed it would be there.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitalyr...57255431/show/

Exactly. I have checked, made a series of screenshots which shows that it IS in the account type menu of mail setup and put them to flickr. So what?

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 05:43
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394844)
See what I mean by reading comprehension? If you had an adequate level, you would know that setting up Exchange mail is the first thing I do when I get a phone.
Sure. And you can do it from 2 places - from control panel applet and from e-mail application. Do you want to have another entry point? Than this is question not to me but to our UI guys, but I will communicate any idea of yours to them.

Quote:
Just to make sure you understand, a new phone does not have accounts configured yet.
Yes. So, you either configure MfE accounts from mail client (most of the users do it this way according to my observations) or from control panel applet.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 05:45
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394847)
Again, I told you 1 month + server search is acceptable.
Yep. 1 month is already on board starting from the first alpha release of the sw. in fact.

Search is not on board. Point taken.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 05:49
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394918)
That's why he should use the device instead of relying on pictures of expected functionality.
N900 is the only communication mobile device I use.
And pictures I have put to flickr were screenshots from my device which I made yesterday evening (Helsinki time).

Quote:
This is exactly what happens:

It says "checking Nokia servers for service availability" and then when you go through the settings it only shows POP and IMAP - THAT'S IT. No Nokia messaging. No M4E.

The ONLY access to M4E on a US device is in the control panel.
I do not use it in US, as I do not live there. it could be the problem. Point taken. I contact our US guys. Just to clarify. What is your operator?

Quote:
You all should use the actual device. That's the first step to making the software better.
This is the ONLY way to release the usable consumer product in general and usable software in particular.

bAxon 2009-11-27 05:57
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
quick question - with M4E and Exchange 2007 - are N900 tasks synced as well?

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 06:02
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 394918)
It says "checking Nokia servers for service availability" and then when you go through the settings it only shows POP and IMAP - THAT'S IT. No Nokia messaging. No M4E.
In addition to my previous reply. Could you make a photo of the available account types you see?

P.S. The fact that you don't see Nokia Messaging could be OK (from sw. engineer's point of view, not from customer and service provider PoV, sure) if Nokia Messaging service is not available for your operator.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 06:03
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bAxon (Post 395210)
quick question - with M4E and Exchange 2007 - are N900 tasks synced as well?
Yes, they are.

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 06:38
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by famusc (Post 394303)
Lucky you! It happens always to me!
ALWAYS? You mean, the notification functionality does not work at all?

What account type do you use?

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 06:41
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgmlacey (Post 394233)
Hi Vitaly_repin ,

thanks for your candid posting on the status with Mfe , I also have this issue, using certificates and exxchange 2003, would an additional syslog trace help yourselves in this matter ? I'm more than happy to generate one if it would be valuble (really would like to see this working)
Rgds Steve
Thank a lot but we do not need syslogs with MfE, Exchange 2003, sales package, anymore. The problem is fixed internally.

Many thanks to you again.

thenokiablog 2009-11-27 06:50
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
i have mfe setup for google sync (contacts+calendar)

i cant send outgoing mail when i have nokia messaging account along with mfe. they stay in outbox with status failed.

if i remove the mfe account, then the nokia messaging account can send mail fine.

i suspect that when i have mfe and nokia messaging together, modest tries to send email from the mfe account instead of nokia messaging.

i filed a bug report for this back when i received the n900 at maemo summit. i still experience the bug after the update to 42-11.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5503

vitaly_repin 2009-11-27 07:26
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
i filed a bug report for this back when i received the n900 at maemo summit. i still experience the bug after the update to 42-11.
Could you post a link to this bug report here?

thenokiablog 2009-11-27 07:32
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 395306)
Could you post a link to this bug report here?
sorry about that. edited the post to include link

dneary 2009-11-27 09:26
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Thanks for the mail Vitaly!

I have just a couple of questions, and some (hopefully helpful) feedback.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 393019)
- It does not work with google!
- Yes. And it should not. The release of the software which you can find in the box you have received was not designed to be compatible with google.

...snip...

- Ohoho! But what is the problem with google? I really want to have it!
- Google implementation of ActiveSync protocol and MS implementation of ActiveSync are different implementations of the protocol. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...statement.mspx

- Can community do something to get the google support on board?
- Yes. Influence Google (to be compatible with N900) and Nokia (to be compatible with google).

So, guys, I am waiting for your feedback. What are the worst problems you experience with MfE solution for Maemo?
First - is the MfE module source code public? Is there any way that the community could address any problems with the Google interaction?

Second - do you have a test suite for MfE, with details on the stuff which definitely/sometimes doesn't work with Google (calendar, contacts or mail), please? Test suite results would at least let people know what stuff it's OK to use & what stuff is a bit dodgier.

Third - Do you know if there is a way to synchronise contacts over SyncML with Google? This worked pretty well for me on my Nokia N82, I imagine (?) that it might also work well with my N900, if the client software's been ported.

That's it for questions. I also have some feedback on stuff which doesn't work well (with Google - so it's OK if your answer is "It's not supposed to work"):

- I have regular failed syncs with contacts.
- On at least one occasion, a sync which failed half way through left me with only a third of my contacts on the phone. A successful sync afterwards got me back into a better position.
- It may only be an impression, or an interaction of a wifi issue & the sync issue, but I have the impression that often, after failed syncs, I lose routing information for my wifi connection too. I stay connected to my access point, but there's no DNS resolution or external internet access.

Anyway, thanks for MfE, and even if it doesn't work yet, it seems to me like there is a desire to go this route for Google and Nokia, so I imagine it will work better as time goes on.

Thanks!
Dave.

shapeshifter 2009-11-27 09:30
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 393019)
- It does not work with google!
- Yes. And it should not. The release of the software which you can find in the box you have received was not designed to be compatible with google.
Uhm, but you see ... this is kind of really really important to many many people.

Thanks for showing up on the forums though.

Andre Klapper 2009-11-27 10:46
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyrockets911 (Post 394761)
Wait, are you a MfE developer too?

Also, is there somewhere the public can download a mini-update with the fix?
Hmm, you did not read my post.
Please reread it as it answered both of your questions.

stobbsc 2009-11-27 11:00
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
WOW I'm really concerned after reading this post.
I've ordered my N900 and I've spoken with various Nokia people at conferences and all, and they have said that google mail, contacts, calendar and TASKS will be syncable with the N900...
It's a massive reason for me getting the device.
It could be deal breaker

localjoost 2009-11-27 11:18
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stobbsc (Post 395596)
WOW I'm really concerned after reading this post.
I've ordered my N900 and I've spoken with various Nokia people at conferences and all, and they have said that google mail, contacts, calendar and TASKS will be syncable with the N900...
It's a massive reason for me getting the device.
It could be deal breaker
+1
I read various messages about the syncing, some say it works, others it doesn't. If it doesn't work with google, I think I'll keep on looking for a device which can.

Caprio 2009-11-27 11:38
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Just for the record, I have cancelled my order for N900 because of m4e on 2003 issues. I will go elsewhere.

johnnyrockets911 2009-11-27 16:34
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 395563)
Hmm, you did not read my post.
Please reread it as it answered both of your questions.
Hmm?

"As written in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762#c18 , the issue is fixed internally and the fix will be available in the next update. I can confirm here that it works."

In what part of that does it say "I am (or am not) an MfE developer"?

Can you also point out the link where people can download the update today?

I didn't see any of these questions answered. Perhaps you were using invisible ink? :D

Your signature says bugmaster, so I'm guessing you are not a developer, just bug tracker. Which is why I'm wondering how you were able to get the fix, when you aren't a developer.

corri66 2009-11-27 17:26
Re: Mail For Exchange ?
 
I'm facing a "Server Communication Error".
Anybody else with the same issue?

I use the default 443 port, sync starts but in a few seconds .."Server Communication Error"

Pls help!

SubCore 2009-11-27 17:49
Re: Mail For Exchange ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by corri66 (Post 396415)
I'm facing a "Server Communication Error".
Anybody else with the same issue?

I use the default 443 port, sync starts but in a few seconds .."Server Communication Error"

Pls help!
it's the stellar winds.

seriously though, more info would be nice :)
like exchange server version, whether or not non-provisionable devices are allowed (as explained earlier) and so on.

corri66 2009-11-27 17:55
Re: Mail For Exchange ?
 
Thanks a lot SubCore!
I'm really new in MAEMO OS, but I don't know the info you're asking.

I know that in the past I never faced such difficulties, with exactly the same settings, using Mfe for Symbian, WM etc...

I thought it was something known...
I'll ask to my IT manager on Mon and then report to the forum.

Anyway thanks again! ;)

SubCore 2009-11-27 17:57
Re: Mail For Exchange ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by corri66 (Post 396453)
I thought it was something known...
I'll ask to my IT manager on Mon and then report to the forum.
you are probably using exchange 2003, which sadly isn't supported at the moment. that will change in a not-too-far-away update, though. so hang in there :)


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