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I went ahead and "red pilled" it from another source, but when I went to the file and click to install, a yellow bar would pop up and said that the file did not exist (or something to that effect).

All but the SNES one are in desperate need of scaling to fit screen to aspect ratio. SNES has the feature, but the others are either native res (VGB is like a postage stamp) or (Sega, VGBA) are only 2/3 the screen height.

I am surprised more robust options are not available, since Maemo has been around for a few years. I guess gamers are a very low minority with the Nokia tablets.

3430 will eat them all for lunch at full screen (fit to aspect ratio).

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I believe on the older tablets performance was limited by the video driver (TI still hasn't open sourced them despite saying they would). Thus I don't think any of the developers tried to do scaling since the hardware in its state couldn't support it.

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Could you not use a other Site for your Batch?
Thanks 4 your work!


It sill not working I hate megaupload!
best regards
neo

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One more question :
Can I play multiplayer in SNES 's games with 2 wiimote?

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So who was the Nokia employee that f'd up?

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Well, no one here knows specifically but since it comes down to marketing, it probably falls under Peter's watch.

Not so sure we should be running around playing the blame game right now anyways. It won't change anything from our perspective.

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reuploaded here:
New links without the classic wallpapers:
http://www.plunder.com/Nokia-N900-Ni...8f239e4729.htm
(short link, same page: http://plunder.com/8f239e4729 )

no waiting time

bye

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Please remove my wallpapers from your pack until I get the okay that it's fine after all this Nintendo trouble. Thanks.

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Look, the reason Nintendo is pulling is this is because they like to stir up trouble. They are now offering emulation on their Wii console and limited porting to their DS portable.

Furthermore, the reason they CAN do anything is because official Nokia people uploaded a video implicating that emulation was a FEATURE of the N900.

Emulators are not, have not and will not be illegal. Period.

ROMs on the other hand are illegal to distribute.

However, it is legal to create backups of the games you own, thus it is legal to possess a ROM for which you have a physical copy of the game. However, this is besides the point and has been a bit murky with back and forth cases.

The moral is - and I have said this before and will say it again - extras is the not the end all, be all repository.

We as the community, need to go back to private repositories, clearly. If Nokia as a large corporation is going to get their panties in a wad every time there is a fake legal threat, then this whole platform is going down the drain.

I'd also like to point out that several of the repository.maemo.org repositories keep going down - all the fight by "head" people to consolidate the private repositories into extras is biting them in the butt.

Mirror, mirror, mirror. Mirror it all, is what I say.

and please, please, stay away from rapidshare and the like. They are just painful to use.

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The emulators need to be re-added once Nintendo calms down a bit. Removing applications and emulators will only hither future developers in providing support.

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That's actually incorrect. Having a copy of a ROM for a game you own is *not* legal. The actual law was written up at a time when software was on magnetic media, which is very volatile. That provision was created to make sure that the user can still use the software he legally has a license to use even if the media it was on deteriorates.

The provision of the law that allows backups does not apply to console games because the law accepts that ROM carts and CD/DVD media do not naturally deteriorate in anywhere near the same way, whereas each and everytime you use magnetic media, a slight piece of it is potentially lost/deteriorated.

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Do bear in mind, this forum is international and such detailed aspects of law tend to vary a lot between countries.

I'm sure you know much more about this law than I do, which is virtually nothing :)

But I'm surprised if you cannot backup CD/DVD media due to the principle of detoriation, because that media does naturally deteriorate, to the point of losing critical data sometimes, both with age and with wear and tear in normal use.

I have also seen ROM cartridges which appeared to have deteriorated, but they were rather old tech; perhaps later ROMs were more robust.

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Btw, if you connected a CD/DVD reader to the N900 and read the game media directly using that, would that make emulation legal I wonder? I'm thinking wireless connection here, but a wired connection isn't out of the question.

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It's always the FOSS people that care so much about the law?

Zerojay, do you work for Nintendo? Do you have Nintendo stock? If not, why do you care so much about curtailing this?

Fine separate Nokia from this activity, that's perfectly fine.

But separating the internet community from it, you are fighting a losing battle.

And really removing things from "the app store" (Extras repository) is such an Apple and Amazon Kindle kind of thing to do.

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Yes, many serious FOSS people pay a lot of attention to the law and try hard to remain within it.

FOSS people love free software, but are also pragmatic. Maemo, N900 and Nokia's support provide an unusually positive opportunity at the moment for open source mobile computing & telephony.

If a legal action is provoked into happening and the courts end up siding with the plaintiff, or even if it's just expensive to defend, a possible serious consequence would be no more open-access Maemo devices produced, maemo.org closed down, and nobody else willing to produce open-access devices similar to the N900 either.

That would not be a win for FOSS.

You'd still have your N900. But judging by the delivery delays, I'd never get mine :D

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Don't shoot the messenger man - he is just trying to explain the situation with ROMS etc.

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Thanks, that's exactly it right there. I'm glad someone actually understands what I'm doing here because it seems like more and more people are trying to put their words in my mouth or are trying to say that I'm saying something completely different and I'm getting quite annoyed with it.

I don't care what you do with your phone, ROMs or whatever. I'm simply trying to fix your misconception, that's all.

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The problem right now is that Nokia decided to market the N900 with roms/emulator capability (Youtube video with 30seconds of emulating nintendo games). This whole situation should die down soon enough (assuming Nintendo doesn't start with legal action). Now the question is, whether or not they will add the emulators back in extras knowing the fact that emulators are legal.

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A couple references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image#Legal_status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAME#Legal_status_of_MAME

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Who is kidding who? Game emulation is what created the surge in old school game interest and the revenue it drives in the industry. Most of the platform emulation for games used by Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft use the same containers developed by the same people that they frown upon.

Were it not for MAME as an example, there would be no old school market for games. They would have been forgotten FOREVER. Not to mention the hundreds (at least) of great games that would NEVER be released and not played again without emulation.

Great examples for a console:

Tengen Tetris- best Tetris game IMO for NES
Summer Carnival- Great NES shooter I never heard of
Over Horizon- Ditto

I could go on and on with examples of great games that are impacting nobody in the pocketbook, but inspire and create demand for the old school game market and revenue.

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Sorry, no. The revenue received through older games are tiny in comparison to new games released, and no, aren't being driven by emulation but by older gamers who don't know how to emulate them or want to stay legal. Those who emulate generally won't be interested in buying

Can you please explain this because it makes no sense to me and MS, Sony and Nintendo most certainly do not use any containers (whatever that means) developed by the emulation community in their products.

A few rare emulator authors did get to do some work for real game companies such as Steve Snake whose Genesis emulator was licensed for use in Sega's official Genesis compilations a few years ago.

Wrong. As long as there are old school gamers still around, there would still be a market for old school games. You can't tell me that MAME is responsible for places like Super Potato and other places that specialize in selling classic games. I'd also like to understand how emulating older arcade games pushes people to buy console games.

This argument is the same thing as saying that if it wasn't for BitTorrent, no one would be interested in movies older than those from the 90s, but yet people still know Casablanca somehow, right?

I can agree with you here. It's one of the things that legal means will never be able to do.. releasing every single last game due to copyrights of the original creators (if they can even be tracked down), etc...

Tengen Tetris is still one of my favorite versions of Tetris on any platform.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how much anyone here argues about how these games are or aren't affecting anyone's pocketbook when said companies tell us that they are and have the legal means to enforce their decisions.

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F**k em, I have probably every classic game I ever played on NES, SNES, and N64 (at least 500) I could give less thak a flying f**k at a rolling donut about the legality...I play them today and Ill continue to play them till my thumbs fall off.

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Zerojay,

I do not have the forum skills to post comments like you did on mine, so I am goin' old school... ;)

1. I am not saying the revenue trumps new games. You have to consider controllers, arcade cabinet business and other third party business (arcade and console based) that feeds from old school game interest. Without the emulators, most of the stuff out their today would not have taken off. MAME fans are everywhere- including the financial and marketing arms of all three big console companies. It inspires.

Would any of the current commercial NeoGeo comps, Metal Slug or KOF series on some current systems be released or popular without MAME? Nobody would know what they are except diehard arcade fans.

2. I know two current emulator legends that I will leave nameless here who are working for both Microsoft and Sony. I do believe the VCS emu for Turbografx on the Wii is the same emulator you can download.

On a tangent, I am surprised there is no Turbgrafx emu on Linux or Mamo- Galaga 90, Blazing Lazers and Raiden are super fine:)

Yep! Tengen Tetris rocks! The only version better than that IMO is Super Twintris on the Amiga :)

Perhap instead of container I should have said emulator. I prefer "container" since the emulator approach on consoles is the game rom plus the emulator- that is why the files are way bigger than the actual game roms are.

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Yes, absolutely. In fact, probably even more popular since all the people that use MAME generally stay away from ports which are almost always substandard in comparison to the original arcade release.

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I don't get what people are complaining about, so Maemo pulled the Emulators I don't blame them someone else can setup a Repo if you want to. Its not that hard or expensive for the hosting. Then you can put anything maemo.org wont allow on repos there. Wait haven't I already been here before oh yeah I hosted my own Maemo Related project site for 2 years.

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The reason they are weaker is that the companies usually take non-optimized emulators and port like wild things.

There are a few exceptions which I proudly own:

MetalSlugX for the PS1 has extra features and IMO plays better than the original.

Metal Slug collection on the PS2 and PSP (own them both) seem to play better than "other options". If not better, they are certainly equals. Plus, they have Metal Slug 6- great game and not released- anywhere else.

Nice to know someone else that appreciates Tengen Tetris :)

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I'm someone who used to be big into Mame. I'm not sure where my ROMs are anymore, tho I still know where my Neo Geo ROMs are. It was great reliving some of those arcade classics, tho others require specialized controlers to do correctly.

Yeah, there has been a lot of frustration with how to handle Abandonware, especially when it isn't clear who the rightholders are anymore. Sometimes you get an effort to put them out in another format, but it sometimes ends up only being a temporary fix, as those systems become obsolete and interest in doing it again wanes once more. Emulation seems to be one of the better solutions in my eyes, since it doesn't require a lot of effort from the rightsholders. The question then is about getting compensation.

Course, that's why I think copyright needs to be more limited so that these questions are made much easier. What kind of money can a company expect for a 20 year old video game? Not much, particularly when the value of 5 year old games deteriorate rapidly. As a group of kids were saying in the used PS2 bin over the weekend, "Some of these games should be free. Any more than that is a ripoff."

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http://rapidshare.com/files/31380206...maemo3_all.deb

these wallpapers, do they stretch over all the 4 desktops of the n900?

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Sorry, I didn't read your post before... I don't think your wallpapers are anything bad for Nintendo, but they're your creation, so I removed them.
The old links don't work anymore.

New links without the classic wallpapers:
http://www.plunder.com/Nokia-N900-Ni...8f239e4729.htm
(short link, same page: http://plunder.com/8f239e4729 )

And sorry again zerojay! :o

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I don't feel that they are either, but it comes down to how I was alerted about this whole situation and I'd rather be safe than sorry at this point.

Not a problem. Thanks.

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If emulators (not roms) are known to be legal, then how is removing them from the repositories "playing it safe". I agree with what a previous poster said about the FOSS community being very careful about the law, but I believe that is this was a TRUE FOSS site like gnu.org and they were in a similar situation, then the content would remain on the site until it was clear that it was illegal to host it. Censoring content in this manner without any proof of guilt reminds me of ISP's blocking internet accounts without any proof of wrongdoing simply because the RIAA or MPAA asks them nicely (or not nicely). Regardless of whether this settles down and the emulators are returned to the repo's, this whole event is very unsettling from a free (as in speech) software perspective.

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Because the FSF has lawyers, maemo.org does not.

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It has nothing to do with censoring content with a lack of proof and everything to do with showing Nokia's good will that they didn't intend to cause Nintendo any harm so that they can both resolve this issue as fast and as trouble-free as possible.

Leaving them up makes you look like you are being malicious and purposely attempting to hurt Nintendo.

Haven't seen anything to back up your claims that maemo.org is any less FOSS than gnu.org though.

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Censoring content is saying:
-"This kind of app cant run cos we wont let", like Apple does.
-"This kind of functionality cant be duplicated", like Apple does.
-"This kind of content wont be available in our devices", like Apple does.
-"Only possible way to use our device is with our AWESOME syncing software", like Apple does.

So you should think about the possibility of Nokia locking the device in a way that emulators could not be installed...

...like Apple does.

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whats wiicontrol anyway?
is it the program that lets you use a wiimote as a gamepad on the n900?

if so, does it also work with a nunchuck? (because obviously snes-game wont work only with a wiimote due to the lack of buttons)

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EDIT : I didn't understand.

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Wiimotes work fine with SNES as long as your game doesn't need more buttons. I haven't tried the nunchuck with it though so I can't answer.

The real problem though is that the Wii has a randomish lag on all input done. For example, I was playing Super Mario World, a game I can finish with all exits completed without dying once on the SNES or PC emulators. With the wiimote, it's almost impossible. You'll find yourself having all sorts of reaction problems... running off the edge of cliffs and that sort of thing. And because the lag isn't the same at all times, it's impossible to get used to and work around, unfortunately.

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And I think you didnt understand a word of what I said...

I never meant that emulators cant be installed and never meant that now if we want to install them we need to do it in a hackish way...

Maybe my canadian accent got you confused, eh?

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It seems I misrerad it, sorry. Must be my French language :p

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no probz, duuude... :cool: