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[QUOTE=puelocesar;407545It's typical behavior of average consumer, they want their devices to work flawlessly, and they are right, but the point is, this device is not consumer ready,[/QUOTE]

You are right, but Nokia will most probably market and sell this as a consumer ready device.

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This is BS. you cannot market the phone as the coolest, most revolutionary thing your co. has come up with in a decade and say "yea.... but" You do not put up billboard adverts and center events around a not ready for showtime device.

It is black or white. 4 of 5 is not a good statement, Nokia had to release something, so they put together a good piece of hardware and put what they had for software on it. The device is great, the software is in progress, they were honest about that - but when they saw the interest they should have shifted gears, and i believe they are/will.

The consumer sentiment is making the n900 a success beyond what they may have expected. They knew the volume of pre-orders anc could easily compare that to other first run devices they have sold (5800xm) to be able to understand total demand over time.
Nokia are not stupid people. They know they need to deliver. It is a consumer device even if YOU do not want it to be.

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Bump, Applause, Exactly!

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Maybe Nokia should have shifted gears but they didn't/couldn't. I don't know why you are expecting the N900 to be something it wasn't announced to be and clearly isn't. It is one thing to hope and want something and completely another to be annoyed when things turn out the way they were told to turn out.

Hence I continue to discourage consumer smartphone clientele from getting this phone. Clearly it is not for them and Nokia has been open about that. I have no problem with saying this is Nokia's failure to be late, but N900 is what it was announced to be. Just because some people go crazy over it does not change that no matter how much you repeat it. It is a device available to consumers just like a Linux boxset but that does not make it a consumer smartphone. It is not a smartphone in the traditional sense and does not have all such features.

I do not see how you could call that BS. It is completely another matter to say that Nokia should have a Maemo consumer smartphone by now. They don't and one can certainly crtique that. But N900 is what was announced.

Of course both of us share the hope that N900 will gain more features in the future, but to me that is bonus. Bugs of course need to be fixed as soon as possbile.

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It is, indeed, BS. Just go to the official Nokia product page for the N900 - where does it say it is anything other than a smartphone for the masses?

Sorry, dude - Nokia dropped the ball on this one. You can either live with the rushed device and workaround the bugs (that I believe will be fixed soon-ish) because you're a devout geek, or return the device and get a refund. What you can't do, however, is deny the harsh reality - it was rushed, and it's not a mass product despite being marketed by Nokia as such.

Remember, most people don't go around forums or read Engadget or whatnot - they go to Nokia's shops or the Nokia.com website. And in the shops it's marketed with huge posters as "Your net - always on" and that appeals to everyone. It's the same shops that featured ZERO posters for the previous Nx00 devices, and that had them in a corner instead of being on display, at the store's center!

But hey, I'm going to buy one - I'll live with the bugs :)

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Good riddance.

I say fools like you that don't read into what they buy aren't worthy of this phone.

b-l-e-e-d-i-n-g - e-d-g-e

Go suck on an iPhone.

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That's the thing though - this phone isn't for most people..

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If you bothered to read what I wrote - the thing is it's being marketed as such!!

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I did 'bother' to read what you wrote thanks, but I myself haven't seen any marketing thus far except on the web. I mean you go into Phones4U etc. and they think N900 is one of R2D2's mates.

I guess I can see what you're trying to say, but it's Nokia's first smartphone-tablet-phone hybrid, and first shot at Maemo 5 for anything other than the old tablets. What do you expect?

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The problem people have with you saying "But its marketed as blah blah" is that if you had spent 30 minutes bothering to do some research on the phone you would have discovered these forums and would have been well aware of the what the N900 is and isn't. The problem here is your lack of due diligence, NOT Nokias marketing. Its Marketing's job to sell items, it's yours to make sure that they are the items you want.

If I believed everything that Marketing told me I would buy every piece of crap that ever had a shiny commercial made for it. The reason I DON'T is because I bother to go away and find out more about the item before committing to a purchase, especially one that's $600+. Hell I don't even go see a movie before reading a review or two.

This is a buyer beware world. Get used to it.

Now that out the way. I do believe that Nokia were surprised by the popularity of the device and are probably

a) Very happy
b) Working to fix some of the more glaring issues.

Be patient for farks sake. The device has been out in the mainstream user base for less than 3 weeks.

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Cool. So it's Nokia's Marketing job to sell, and ours to make sure they're selling what they're announcing (or, in other words, if they're not lying). That's what kept me away from MS products, but OK.

You guys don't get it. Research? For 30 minutes? Dude, it's not a buyer beware world - it's a 5 second attention span one. "Looks cool? I have the money? Cool" is most people's mindset. Telling them it's cool because it runs Linux and it's free and whatever - most people don't care. And unless Nokia cares about the possible fallout of huge returns and bad image resulting from it, they should market it appropriately.

For geeks. And tinkerers.

But sure, whatever - let the brand name erode and have a bad reputation. People always come back, right? /sheesh

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It's the first time I hear of these issues, so I think you overestimate how wide-spread they actually are. The random call thingy sounds very obscure and may well have nothing to do with the phone at all. The bluetooth problems the OP is talking about are not bugs, he simply doesn't like the behaviour of all sound being routed over the bluetooth headsets as long as they are connected. While I agree that this may not be best behaviour, it's still not a bug and even less so a release blocker. I can promise you that, if broken microphones or constant reboots would have been spotted during testing (and not deemed fixed), the device wouldn't have been released.

There was nothing rushed about the N900, it was now or never. Personally, even as a consumer I would rather have the device available rather than not have it available, which would have been the only alternative.


That's like saying that OS X was not a new operating system because it was based on *BSD though. The user experience is entirely new, the desktop and window management are completely new (for the first time using hardware 3D acceleration and transitions), the phone and communication framework is completely new, the calendar has been written from scratch, the hildon toolkit has been extensively updated (most noticeably the pannable area and touch selectors), and so on.

I have never seen anything of this complexity being released without a couple of bugs.


No, it doesn't make sense. Yes it is a superior device, but otherwise it has nothing whatsoever to do with the N97. And looking at the most experimental device in Nokia's line-up is just not reasonable, if what you care about is primarily stability.


I got that impression, because I think that your perspective is severely skewed by reading too much in the forum. You are still far more likely to get a device that works fine for you, than one that has any critical defect.

Keep in mind that if two in a hundred have an issue with a product, it is most likely that it is exactly those two who seek out a forum to complain about it. Never take this as an indication as to how many products are actually affected.

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I have to say that if you have the money to spend on something new and shiny, it's your choice. It's a gift-wrapping for something inside the package. Get it? Too bad that the insides aren't quite what the blinded-by-the-PR-speek buyer is seeing.

You have the money. You choose where to put it. If you don't like the merchandise, give it back because you can. This isn't cheating you out of your precious money and time. Nokia is being very fair and they're not really pushing it out to the masses. If you read the hype, look at where the hype is coming from. Why do you assume that something good for somebody else would be good for you?

But yeah, it could be argued that it's Nokia's fault as it doesn't do enough to control the hype - it's clearly just not enough in this fast-paced-world to just give out the facts and speak openly of the devices' purpose. When Nokia make an internet tablet with phone features and say that that's what it is, and also say that it's just step 4 of 5 - people just dismiss those facts because the packging is soo shiny???

I obviously don't get it. What the hell is wrong with you people?

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Nothing is "wrong" - I'm all for the N900. I wanna buy one! But I understand people feel cheated, just that.

What's missing in these forums is precisely that - understanding! Typical Linux "screw you n00b" attitude. And saying stuff like "it's only been out for 3 weeks" - how long does it have to be out to fix basic bugs like not being able to use GSM shortcodes starting with *, that any proper tester could have caught, and should be release stoppers??

I want one. But Nokia messed up. Just that - don't bash the guys feeling cheated, that's all I'm saying.

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I can understand the complaints. I am a long time user of S60 and love it. I have also had a 770 and currently use a N810 with my N65 all the time. If I knew someone liked S60...and was used to that...I would probably tell 90% of those users to stay with S60. Same goes with the different Blackberry, Apple, Moto and other users.

The other 10%...are those either like me, a current Maemo user...or someone who is looking for a tablet device that can do phone stuff too and can do some tech stuff, or someone that likes Linux and uses it already. Those are people who should jump in now.

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No doubt this happens. Ive thought about this many times on forums like this. Staff of other phone brands, fanboys, irate consumers who have just tied theirself into the wrong contract with wrong phone but need self reassurance to bolster these ill-informed purchases. All of these groups must hate the "i love my N900" posts and will counter every one with negative feedback using info they have found elsewhere in the forum.
I think if someone genuinely owns the N900 and has genuine reason to even be on the forum then they SHOULD be listened to with empathy and not a barrage of abuse. They should though , have researched the £500 purchase beforehand as to not have any nasty surprises.
If people post Non-constructive posts, to create negativity, then they should automatically be ignored and not replied to.
Who cares if someone has not researched a £500 purchase and got burned because it doesn't do portrait except in dialer mode. There has to be some kind of accountability on the consumers behalf. We have cooling off periods for disgruntled rich idiots. Hand it back, get money and buy something different.
If you want some problem with the phone fixed then put it to the community,(excellent system and really well structured).
I think people, we need to put on our bullsh.it deflectors to identify this kind of behavoir as to not waste too much time with them.
Sorry for such the long post, but i feel too much negativity being nourished in favour of progression by positive action. Ive seen the complaints and just laugh at most of them. I'll hopefully recieve my N900 next week, and if I feel I have purchased the wrong product then I can only blame myself for being an early adopter.
Lets take each post with a pinch of salt at least till some kind of integrity can be ascertained from the content of the post
Hope I haven't offended anyone:) ........including you fruitphone and schmoogle users and staff.
can we take a positive from the OP and report a bug with bluetooth when using alarm using constructive criticism to progress the device for all? I think thats what the forums for isn't it? ;)

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OK lets return this thread to topic and civilised conversation.

Portrait mode only available or phone:

The N900 was designed with landscape in mind, this is not a bug. Portrait IS supported by the OS itself but only the phone currently supports it. The Internet browser is confirmed as being upgraded to use it in the next firmware update.

Third-party software can easily support either mode but mostly does not because landscape is a more "computer" style way of working and unfortunately there is no portrait on-screen keyboard by default. Also the N900 is based on Linux, plenty of software comes over from Desktop so is designed for landscape use ONLY. It will take time for software designed for the older tablets and desktop to be adapted to be more "phone-like".

Believe me I really wish conversations supported portrait as I often type one-handed on the bus/tram. However it is by no means a deal breaker for me.

Alarm and ring tones through bluetooth only, if bluetooth is on:

I assume you mean if your headset is paired and switched on. Surely it does not do this if bluetooth is on but your headset is turned off? If it does, then that clearly is a bug.

If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.

I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.

Overall, I am overjoyed to hear the N900 works this way. I always feel guilty when receiving a lot of SMS messages especially if I am doing something like queuing at the bank, as hearing the same tone over and over must be annoying for everyone else (I know it annoys me when someone else does it). The idea that it would redirect to my headset instead is excellent.

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Enough with the insults and personal attacks. Keep it civil and on topic.

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If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.

I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.

You leave it on because, if the phone rings, you are going to answer it using your headset, of course. Pretty much every phone I've owned, quite a few, does it this way - and it's the right way. The headset is on but in my shirt pocket. The phone is in my pocket or in a holster. The phone rings, I hear it, I put the headset on and answer.

Otherwise you are wearing your headset 24x7, like a dork.

The other phones will ring out through the headset, or at least send a ring tone - so if you have it on, you will hear it there as well.

To mute the phone, you mute the phone.

Now, should all that be configurable? Sure, that would be great.

But the default being the same as everyone else - audio out through the phone, phone audio out/in through the headset? Perfect.

This is for a PHONE headset. For audio headphones, audio should route out through the headphones. Just like everyone else.

And, for the record, this exact bug is what caused me to cancel my N900 order. I'll wait to see if this gets fixed because, from perspective, this is a deal breaker.

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uhhh. right.

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The community around here is something to behold, at times.

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By any chance is this a person who didnt read Maemo forums or nokia press releases before buying the phone. GGGG i wonder how many people are gonna do that. My guess is loads :)

Deosnt help its being sold as a smartphone like i said. Either way unlucky mate but that will teach you to research a phone lots before you buy it. esp one so expensive.

you prpobably didnt no but its not intended for you. only Linux techies should dare to buy this as it was solely intended for them as they dont mind the fact that the phone features are half assed or that it is buggy. you know why cos to them the benifits far out way a few missing features. if only it was sold like this nokia/maemo wouldnt have a problem.

Mud sticks people and the N900 is really starting to get a bad name. even people at work who i have been singing the n900 praises to have heard its buggie and the launch was a joke. They were so close to peeling themselves away from their iphones/G1s and opening their eyes to the possibilies of a contender

whats going on i was really really hopeful for the N900 BUT im gonna stick by it for now and see how this promised Firmware update pans out.

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As i keep saying what Nokia have said and what they are selling the phone as, are two VERY different things.

Not everyone in the world reads this board or nokia information. I admit a little digging would have maybe.....ok would definitely have uncovered this but believe it or not people still buy expensive items before fully researching them.

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theres also howardforums.com

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But someone has already commented in this thread that it is NOT the way "all phones" do it.

Although fair enough, you are right, it should be configurable.

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Hmmm...I have a bluetooth banana...how will I know to pickup the banana and answer if the phone doesn't make a noise itself and not just through the banana? Ok that might be annoying.

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People don't get into the proper scope when they speak. And I bet if they are faced with someone else *in real life* complaining, they wouldn't call them "stupid n00bs" or "idiots". Alas, the internet shields people and that's when the trolling begins.

And for some (like me, also) being such a geeky tool is more than OK - for people wanting a phone and being faced with typing "repository URLs" to get extra software it's definitely not OK.

The thing is - can't we just be civil? Bear in mind - it's being advertised by Nokia in shops and on the website as A PHONE. Not a "Linux geekgasm-inducing device" which is what it is in fact (and some may argue not a complete one yet).

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I have an N800 and I love it. Love it. I'm on T-Mobile, so the carrier is a non-issue. I immediately ordered an N900, based on my N800 experience and because I'd always thought that all it really needed was phone functionality and it would be a slam dunk device.

Then I reconsidered a bit.

I do need a few more things. It has to be a decent phone, at least. It has to let me use bluetooth the way all my other phones have because, yeah, that's what I want. It has to have decent email (exchange or imap idle and gmail) because, let's face it, that's what I get on Android. Some native (gmail) and some via a commerical app (touchdown).

So the bar has changed.

I'd really, really like Nokia to succeed with this device. The notion of full linux with X running on a phone is wonderful and could be a real game changer.

But first they have to clear a fairly minimal bar.

And I don't think they have yet.

I don't, BTW, think this device will be horrible. I think it'll be great. I just don't think it's - yet - anything like what I need to get me to move.

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You know, this thread amongst the other threads are just the scout before the old world army invades with all it's might.

Everyone who joined this place before the N900 was named, knows that it's a tablet first, and a phone second.

Everyone else in the whole world DOES NOT. M'kay? The webshops promote it as the new top of the line Nokia phone. There are lovely glossy pictures, and the texts are all along the lines

"It's a phone. It's a computer. It's multitasking. You can call with GSM, VOIP, send SMS or IM. It's the future."

I had a long thread about it here, worrying that most people would not understand why the N900 is special.

I was right.

This phone is not being marketed as an internet tablet with phone functionality. It's being marketed as the top of the line Nokia phone.

Each and every one who buys this except 1000 talk.maemo.org users and a handful researchaholics are going to expect voice navigation, voice dialling, and most certainly an alarm that beeps even if you have it connected to a handsfree.

This phone will get more complains than the N97.

It's friggin frustrating, it's a wondrous machine and noone is going to understand it!

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It will be my next phone, since my expectactions are (in order of preference):

1. to dig the "tablet" side to the most
2. to answer and reply to SMSs
3. to answer and initiate phone calls
4. MAYBE to skype with it
5. MAYBE use a Bluetooth headset

I believe it fulfills all requests, the fact being that 2 is very far away from 1 :D. I may even remove the SIM and just use it as a(n expensive) tablet and replace my iPod Touch, keeping my N80 as a phone.

I may have a few gripes with the interface and so on, but in all fairness, I don't get much calls, just texts.

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You're totally right, and it's unfortunately going to erode the Nokia brand even more than the N97 :| Nokia will be forever known as the "sucky top of the line" phone brand, "just good for 50€ phones" - you know, like Motorola :D

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there are people like me willing to give it a go even with a few rough edges but after a very lengthy first post from myself about getting off the fence and buying the phone i got myself a step ladder and got right back up on it :(. i am starting to wonder if it is even ready for people like me.

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What edge don't you tolerate? (honest question)

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This the Nokia Maemo N900 page:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Read that and tell me it's a good old smartphone. They don't even mention the phone there.

I do get that Nokia could shout out this more, for the lazy folks. I go to Nokia.co.uk, just for example, All phones lists the N97 as the flagship. N900 is way down there. All phones also lists the N800, which is not a phone at all, which is confusing. But how one could interpret that as a flagship device is beyond me.

"Explore these features to learn what you can do with the power of the Nokia N900 mobile computer." "...new era of mobile computing..." All this is there. And the link to maemo.nokia.com for more as well as the press releases and announcements. Click full tech specs and you can see what it does and does not.

http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...-n900/features

I do get it. This device is confusing people, like I'm sure previous Internet Tablets from Nokia were confusing coming from a phone company. But anyone doing any little research into the N900 should get that it is not a full-on smartphone. In some cases it is less, in some cases more (mobile computer).

N900 is the future, sure. But part of that loaded word means some of the future is yet to happen. Let's not act like Nokia didn't tell us beforehand because they did. Unlike Apple for example, Nokia shares the roadmap and their product philosophies beforehand.

So do spread the word. N900 is not for everyone. People will be disappointed if they buy it not understanding what it is.

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But so it doesn't get lost in the mix: I do agree Nokia.com should explain this better. They do link to the info, and to maemo.nokia.com, all pics are in landscape, no MMS is listed in features and whatnot. The info is there. But because people are lazy and because it can be confusing, I agree they should explain it better.

Criticize Nokia for this, or for being late. But don't blame the N900 for not being what it was not designed to be. If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you - please don't buy it if you are looking for a full-featured smartphone.

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I have yet to see a webshop or Nokia page have text that makes it possible to deduct the "some cases it is less" part. Only reviews will do that, and frankly, the reviewers are almost all our kind of people, tech people, crying in joy over it's good sides.

I agree that the N900 as it is now is not ready for the market slot it's in: people willing to buy the hottest Nokia available. It's behind on quite a few features most people expect in a phone.

It's the things that people don't expect in a phone, that's where it excels.

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But so it doesn't get lost in the mix: I do agree Nokia.com should explain this better. They do link to the info, and to maemo.nokia.com, all pics are in landscape, no MMS is listed in features and whatnot. The info is there. But because people are lazy and because it can be confusing, I agree they should explain it better.

Criticize Nokia for this, or for being late. But don't blame the N900 for not being what it was not designed to be. If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you - please don't buy it if you are looking for a full-featured smartphone. It was not designed to be one and this was announced beforehand.

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I wish people would stop repeating this marketing ********. It's a damn phone, end of story. All this "mobile computer" crap is non-sense and a poor attempt at creating a new marketing gimmick.

It's shaped like mobile phone it looks like a mobile phone it rings when people cAll me and I can call people on it. Stop using this " it's not a phone it's a mobile computer" as an excuse to have BASIC PHONE features not work properly or non existent all together.

Nokia really has some of you brainwashed and it's scary.

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N900 is a mobile computer and if you dont like go else where
:DGOODBYE:D

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They're nerds, they forgot what phones are...