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joshua.maverick 2009-12-10 03:17
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 420095)
judging morality junky. now that is racism where i come from. calling someone that. where i come from the word racism isnt even in the dictionary. so if you feel offended, YOU are the *****hole. nevermind the question.

irrelevant, offtopic, slowchat, smalltalk, not right place to ask. okay sure, true. have a nice day
Great input.

zfarooq 2009-12-10 03:31
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 420076)
joshua. you call bad looking apps buttafaces. how do you call white people. nothing racist provocing here. just... interested.. im kinda going to date a black girl see. and since once i go black i wont be able to go back or something like that i kinda think i should educate meself a little.

watched dave chapelle all afternoon for example.
f off..thats quite offensive.

freppas 2009-12-10 03:38
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
How about some incentives for the designers around similar to what nokia had for hackers? Say someone develops an app and then gets some of the people in design here to have a bit of a competition, this might open up the eyes of other developers as well.

What I think would be brilliant is to have a "designers corner" somewhere here where developers would simply go to get cool skins for their apps. I think this would add a lot to end-user experience of the apps. Sadly this may just be a dream...

christexaport 2009-12-10 14:46
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by freppas (Post 420113)
How about some incentives for the designers around similar to what nokia had for hackers? Say someone develops an app and then gets some of the people in design here to have a bit of a competition, this might open up the eyes of other developers as well.

What I think would be brilliant is to have a "designers corner" somewhere here where developers would simply go to get cool skins for their apps. I think this would add a lot to end-user experience of the apps. Sadly this may just be a dream...
If you don't write up the brainstorm, I'll kill you! AWESOME IDEA!!

As for rhe racism/Chappelle talk, just judge that girl on her own merits. She's Black, not Martian. It is only a skin color, just like a hair color. My girlfriend is a White woman with blonde hair, and she's exactly like the red headed and brunette women I've dated: unique as individuals. Worry about getting to know her, not her culture. Not all Black people IN MY CITY are much alike, much less in the world. I'm not much like Bryant Gumble, Shaka Zulu, TuPac, or Al Sharpton. I'm the only christexaport, and she's the only her. Keep that in mind and she'll be your's forever if that's what you want. Chappelle will only teach you to be laughed at, and maybe that's not always the best idea.

Now back to the topic...

zfarooq 2009-12-10 15:59
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i think once the downloads increase and developers get involved, there will be more competition. Once that happens developers will be forced to differentiate, usability is one way to differentiate apps doing the same thing.

Im hoping for this especially once there are paid apps, which should not be as expensive as the s60 ones..

Fargus 2009-12-10 16:11
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 416135)
Who else is Chris? Or did you mean Josh? Because I'm good with a pencil, but have zero graphical skills.

From what I'm hearing, we may be able to benefit from an extended library of widgets, buttons, etc. Is there a way we can do that? Joshua has some great skills, and this may be where he can help out.
My bad - Sorry Josh/Chris!! :confused:

Fargus 2009-12-10 16:23
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 420090)
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Anyways, as for the original dilemma, I believe that problems could be solved if, as was previously suggested, developers start writing their code as to decouple the UI with the rest of the code. In this way, a developer can continue to add functionality to his program while leaving the art of design to the..well..designers.
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You're surely not advocating a seperate presentation layer? LOL.

This is really how applications ought to be developed with a clear cut application logic library abstracted away from the UI logic. The other advantage is this is the Unix way - all plug together logic!

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Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 420090)
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For Qt (and its bindings) a developer needs only become familiar with Designer. For GTK+, glade serves the same purpose. The only real problem that then remains is deploying to Maemo. While Qt at least allows you to select the "Maemo" style, the Maemo-specific widgets are not yet integrated into it. While it is possilbe to add custom widgets into Designer, that is a bit time consuming. As far as I know, the same holds true for GTK+ and Glade.
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Writing 'skinable' applications is definately the best policy but the problem is that there is a lot of extra effort. Maybe this should be a developer/design hackfest to work out some mechanisms for skinning. That way we could have standard framework code that even junior developers could use and simply drop their control logic in the bits that doe something. Same for the UI designers - load the skin resources and a configuration file perhaps to define the makeup and everyone is happy!

wizbowes 2009-12-10 17:36
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[edit] Never bother to post a comment about something somebody said on page 2 of a 9 page thread. It wastes you time and everybody elses too.

aspidites 2009-12-11 01:05
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 421132)
You're surely not advocating a seperate presentation layer? LOL.
Nah...what loser ever thought of MVC?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 421132)
This is really how applications ought to be developed with a clear cut application logic library abstracted away from the UI logic. The other advantage is this is the Unix way - all plug together logic!
It definately makes it easier to make UI enhancements without jacking up the rest of the code.

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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 421132)
Writing 'skinable' applications is definately the best policy but the problem is that there is a lot of extra effort. Maybe this should be a developer/design hackfest to work out some mechanisms for skinning. That way we could have standard framework code that even junior developers could use and simply drop their control logic in the bits that doe something. Same for the UI designers - load the skin resources and a configuration file perhaps to define the makeup and everyone is happy!
When you say skinable, I worry. While I don't mind programs giving users the ability to apply skins, I absolutely hate it when the only way for an application to look native is to choose the correct skin.

For example, firefox and vlc offer "native", versus "skinned" appearances, where Opera on the other hand, while having a "native" option in appearances, doesn't really look 100 % native. I won't even start on java apps....

daperl 2009-12-11 02:51
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Someone needs to enhance the design section of irreco. There's potential there for a non-technical skin creation tool. Functionality has been very decoupled from layout design.

Fargus 2009-12-11 02:59
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 421962)
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When you say skinable, I worry. While I don't mind programs giving users the ability to apply skins, I absolutely hate it when the only way for an application to look native is to choose the correct skin.
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Probably just me not explaining myself very well on this. By skinable I mean able to be to skinned rather than requiring one in the first place (I'm dev so language slightly different).

Allowing skins to be applied over a stock look and feel I believe offers a great end user experience. If we can combine that with intelligent control associations (keep associated controls together) and allow configurable UI widgets then everyone is happy: UI becomes just another configuration dataset for the developer.

ColdFusion 2009-12-11 11:05
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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 422041)
Probably just me not explaining myself very well on this. By skinable I mean able to be to skinned rather than requiring one in the first place (I'm dev so language slightly different).

Allowing skins to be applied over a stock look and feel I believe offers a great end user experience. If we can combine that with intelligent control associations (keep associated controls together) and allow configurable UI widgets then everyone is happy: UI becomes just another configuration dataset for the developer.
We already have that. It's called Themes. They have the additional advantage that they make all apps uniform, which is very important for usability.

freppas 2009-12-14 07:09
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 420963)
If you don't write up the brainstorm, I'll kill you! AWESOME IDEA!!

As for rhe racism/Chappelle talk, just judge that girl on her own merits. She's Black, not Martian. It is only a skin color, just like a hair color. My girlfriend is a White woman with blonde hair, and she's exactly like the red headed and brunette women I've dated: unique as individuals. Worry about getting to know her, not her culture. Not all Black people IN MY CITY are much alike, much less in the world. I'm not much like Bryant Gumble, Shaka Zulu, TuPac, or Al Sharpton. I'm the only christexaport, and she's the only her. Keep that in mind and she'll be your's forever if that's what you want. Chappelle will only teach you to be laughed at, and maybe that's not always the best idea.

Now back to the topic...
Right, so in order to avoid any unnecessary bloodshed I've created a thread in brainstorm about the topic here.

For some reason I couldn't search for any existing threads on the subject so I just created one. If there is one please feel free to link and I'll post there.

joshua.maverick 2009-12-14 07:18
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion (Post 422514)
We already have that. It's called Themes. They have the additional advantage that they make all apps uniform, which is very important for usability.
Hrm, I see what you are saying. I just want it to look cool.

Master of Gizmo 2009-12-14 07:39
Re: Most maemo apps are buttafaces
 
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Originally Posted by joshua.maverick (Post 415168)
but there has to be some way to "force" 3rd party app developers to make their apps prettier.
Then just do it! Most of these apps are open source. You can get their source code directly from the repositories and most of them have a svn at garage.

There has to be a way to "force" people like you actually fix the things they are complaining about rather than trying to force others to do so.


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