Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

If that's really ANY condition, you are either not using the camera right (like not focusing), or you have a faulty unit. Take a look at this thread as a reference to what the N900 main camera can do.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

i have no problem at all with the n900 cam in any light condition a little tweak with the iso and exposure and i'm good to go
what i would love to see if its not some where in the forums tool/app for video editing options

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

There is already bug #8168 for the poor quality imagery, almost certainly caused by reflection from the chrome trim.

Incredibly it appears that a Brainstorm may be necessary to bring this design flaw to Nokias attention - yet another example of a one suggestion no-brainer Brainstorm.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Curious.

There seems to be two groups of N900 owners; some who are having problems (and at times lots of problems...), and some who seem to have no (or insignificant) problems at all.

I couldn't replicate this problem, no matter what.

All values at their default, with cover on, various lighting and proximity situations and greased lens as someone mentioned.

The conspiracy thickens....

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Like Christexaport, I tried covering the chrome with permanent magic marker to see what effect it would have. The picture quality improved dramatically. The white haze problem improved significantly. This result implies that the chrome is partially, if not wholly, responsible for the problem. So, Nokia needs to:
1) Redesign the removable back of the phone so there is no chrome trim near the flash or camera lense.
2) Provide the new back, free of charge, to the current owners of N900s.

Here are some pictures comparing the unaltered N900, N85 8MP, and blackened trim N900.

http://picasaweb.google.com/drew.fre...eat=directlink

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I just took 200 pictures at a wedding. I'm so embarresed and pissed off that there was maybe 'normal' 3 or 4 pictures that didn't have something wrong with it. The lighting was perfect, because it took the pictures next to an extremely experienced professional cameraman. My N95 8GB took much better pictures..

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I'm glad I took the time to read this thread. I have been plagued with the "bluish upper-right corner haze" as well, on all my flash photos. It's quite disgusting, if you ask me - I feel like I'm using my old instamatic from the late 1970's with the square, rotating, dsposable flashbulbs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Instamatic.jpg

I'm shocked to learn that the chrome bezel is the culprit - who would put shiny chrome around a flash, to reflect and diperse light in every direction, including back into the lens?!?! What genius was responsible for this design flaw, I wonder.

I really do like my N900 but this is inexcusable. I am in favor of the proposal mentioned in this thread - a total back-cover replacement from Nokia for all interested parties, at no cost to owners of the N900. (Someone make a poll, I have no idea how to do that but I would be interested to see the results).

And they can upgrade that ridiculous, flimsy plastic kickstand while they're at it! I'm just counting the days until that impossibly fragile piece of plastic snaps off. Come on, Nokia, do the hardware justice, for crying out loud!

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

We need to get a letter out to Nokia and a letter out to the bloggers.

I'll write up a draft tomorrow and post it here, I'm not much of a writer, but at least it will be a start. That bluish haze in the top corner is really unacceptable and a huge let down. I love Nokia, but they constantly let me down.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I guess before, let's get a poll going to see who has the problem.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I created a poll, please forward the poll link to as many n900 users as you can.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42098

Thank you! (link is also in my sig)

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

You obviously know what you're doing with a camera! Care to enlighten the rest of us what those 'little tweaks' might be? I can get superbe pics in good lighting, but less so indoors. :)

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Don't use auto ISO. When shooting nightshots or indoors, use ISO100 and increase exposure. Whenever possible, lean (the camera) on to something. Don't push the camera button, squeeze. Breathing techniques in the next chapter :D

As for the previous remarks... tools have advantages and disadvantages. The interfering backplate is a disadvantage. Learn to work around it (it's always easier to whineblog about a problem than solve it) or don't use the tool if it causes you grief. As easy as that.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

very disappointed here :
with and without cover

http://img2.pict.com/a9/cf/d0/264145...0100125004.jpg
http://img2.pict.com/9b/48/9f/264145...0100125003.jpg

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

man... i paid 599€ for this device... and a big factor was this 5MP cam... and now i only get good pictures if i take the backplate off?!

i'm not somebody who's easily complaining about something... i wouldn't complain if the device was 200€ cheaper... but this product is hidh-end... and it's just ridiculous that such a dumb design failure leaves a bitter taste on one of the most important functionalities of this phone...

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

What I'm saying is that you can remedy the thing with a black marker or conscious use of the flash. Is it an 'oops' in this class of a device ? Yep (an even bigger oops is the N97 lens scratch, but I digress). Can it be remedied trivially (i.e. black marker) ? Yep. Is this really worth fighting about ? Put pressure on Nokia where there is something you CAN'T fix, like opensourcing the closed components, etc, but loosing sleep over things like this... IMHO it's just a waste of efforts.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Attila maybe you dont get the point. I'm in the same opinion with b666m. i DON'T want to, in any way, make the blezel black.

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It's not the bezel that is the main problem. It's the blue slider plastics, which is normally not visible when the slider is closed. That's why the haze is always so much more prominent on the RIGHT side of the image.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

ok... you're right... the turquoise slider edge is mostly responsible for that haze... the chrome part hardly affects the picture.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

For those who have already bought it yes, the fix is trivial and a DIY job is probably the best we can hope for. Hopefully Mugen Power are paying attention and won't repeat the mistake.

Yes it is worth fighting about - or at least, ensuring Nokia do something about it for one simple reason: those who haven't yet bought the N900 shouldn't need to fix anything - the fix should already be happening in the factory. Do you honestly think that a brand new £500 device that has to have strategic sections covered in felt marker before it will work as expected, is acceptable? The N900 has enough "issues" right now, and it doesn't need something as basic as this being added to the list which undermines one of it's biggest assets (the 5MP camera).

For Nokia to continue to pump out devices with an obviously defective/deficient/flawed design is irresponsible and will reflect badly (pardon the pun) on Nokia and may lead to the N900 gaining a reputation of having a poor camera (which to be honest, is absolutely true in terms of the out-of-the-box experience and will remain so for anyone who doesn't read this forum).

Going slightly OT, there is clearly a problem with Nokia design and/or QA of recent devices if this SNAFU and the N97 lens cover are anything to go by - I have to assume they were both thoroughly tested, but when such obvious flaws make it through to production you do have to wonder what the hell is going on.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

this would be true if we were talking about plain camera objectives. but in right circumstances you will get the same haze (probably the form would be different) with this:
http://photo.nynews.gov.cn/Article/U...2585356620.jpg

http://www.robertwhite.co.uk/product...1424&PT_ID=316

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Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I posted this in the poll thread and I'll post it here too.
It's just a line, as easy as pie and you don't even see it when the cover is closed.
Also the chrome reflection is insignificant, compared to the strength of the flash, that spreads uniformly and outshines the reflection.
And if you guys wouldn't have told me I could have lived happily without the line ever after.

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1264455371
Sorry for the low quality but N900 happens to be my main camera.

...so much noise for a big nothing...

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

so it's only the blue line ?

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Yes, and this is my result in a dark room:

Before:
http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1264403377
After:
http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1264403386

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I'm not disputing the issue. I'm disputing the resolution, for defects, there are valid channels for reporting them. The kind of pressure described - open letters, blogging, etc should be used for things that cannot be achieved just by error reporting (like licensing issues, corporate stances, etc). Or did we have feedback from Nokia the cover is a factory level WONTFIX ? Knowing industry procedures, you might sooner get a black marker in the pack than a proper backplate :)

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

No, the suggestion was to create a Brainstorm to discuss the defect amongst ourselves in order that Nokia could then determine a resolution (actually, that might as well be a "WONTFIX") :)

This was then followed up by the hope that something could be done in software...

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I'll put it to WORKSFORME ;)

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Here are the before and after shots I took, following the idea in comment 101 ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=101 ) to just put permanent marker along the side of the slider nearest the lens.
Easy enough to do with the back off, I went along several times to make it nice and thick.

The top two are off the footpath in the dark, the latter two of the lounge floor under indoor lights. In both, top picture is before the marker pen, and you can see the blue haze, as well as the improvement !

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I guess I will be doing the same then, that looks like a huge improvement.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Glad I helped out ;)

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

the hazy shot are really bothering me aswell... maybe some official or 3th party covers could reduce hazy shot.

I was trying to find a topic like this the see if other people had the same problem, so somewhat I'm relieved but on the other side disapointed too since the camera isn't working like it should..

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I just did the black permanent marker on the blue trick and it completely fixed it. Did about 4 or 5 coats. Thanks so much, this makes my camera usable again.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

Unfortunately for Nokia, this is clearly a defect in their product that they need to own up to and provide a fix for. That is my opinion.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I doubt nokia will provide a fix...

Maybe we sould all complain directly to nokia

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

It's probably not necessary or reasonable to expect a replacement cover from Nokia since the resolution is so quick and easy, but it would be idiotic for Nokia to continue producing unmodified back covers on new devices.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I agree, nokia aren't going to fix something as small as this, i'm not feeling this affects my picture quality so much, maybe because i have a thick leather case with a cutout around the camera, but if i run into the problem, i will just use masking tape to null the lighting instead of reflect it. :)

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

I hadn't ever noticed the issue since I rarely ever take photos with flash. Glad the fix is so simple. I can't say I'm not surprised about the issue existing.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

i did a test too! whill be colouring that chrome around a flash lamp thats for shure ;)

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For blueish picture problem please color blue part of lens cover to black.

Re: N900 Camera Images Hazy
 

will do that too!!! thaknks man ;)

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And please DO not paint back of lenses cover totally black. There is two areas where there is black and white. Leave white untouched.