Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Im fairly sure I can find quotes from Nokia employees specifically mentioning a December firmware update..

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Please do.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I far as I know, December is still here so we all must exercise patient till....

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Personally I'd rather wait for the bugs to be worked out of the update and wait a few extra week rather than add a whole new handfull of bugs to the mix.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I bought mine at $530 before rebate, and I'm quite happy with it so far (at least, now that I have one that doesn't reboot randomly).

Course, some of us didn't have a phone who did any of the above before this, so there is a lot I'm currently not missing. While I'd like to see a firmware update at some point, what I have is very workable for me. What I really want are more applications rather than a new firmware.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

There are still 3 days remaining before 2009 ends.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Please submit your vote over the brainstorm section so that bugfixes to individual apps should be commited as soon as possible (eg. not waiting for a full release to fix the imap issue) and this way you can help achieving faster updates an intelligent way. I do hope Nokia considers this, as there is no point in waiting for weeks to fix those simple but annoying bugs.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Agreed! Unless I have been unlucky with two N900's and the same radio issue, 2G reception in low signal areas is weaker than my G1. Fantastic that others are happy with the radio, but two N900's yielded the same results for me. A radio update (if possible) would be very nice.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Personally I don't mind the one or the other. What pisses me off is the lack of reliable information.

What's so hard about a little press release or a blog post somewhere saying "People, the update is coming, we can't make our original estimate because some bug came up that will kill your device cold. We're trying to fix it, but you all know how software is, when it decides to be a pain in the rear, then it's just that. We'll keep you posted on progress. Until then hang in there..."

To write that costs 3 Minutes, and it gets rid of all the frustration and the speculation. But no, let's rather be silent, that way the competition might not get confirmation of our schedule...

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I have not received my rebate yet, but the legal language in the rebate does not stipulate "deals" are null and void to the warranty.

I simply wrote the IMEI down on the form and this is another reason I did not keep the second N900 and return the first one. Well, main reason was the second one rebooted over a dozen times in the short time I was testing 2G reception. I averaged about 1.5 reboots per hour of use. No other apps were installed on it, just what came with it.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Actually my total was $429 after rebate. Not sure where my tiny brain picked up "422".

Funny, my first one has been rock solid and Mplayer, emulators and other apps installed. No problems or memory issues and ZERO reboots.

Second one out of the box was random reboot city. Would have been ironic if the 2G radio had better reception than the first ;)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Thank you. Requirement #2 on the form says "The original UPC and barcode panel from the product box of your Nokia device." Do you believe simply writing down the UPC code and barcode is sufficient to obtain the rebate? Furthermore, there is nowhere on the form where the UPC and barcode is to be written so I would assume we must either make copies of the barcode with the UPC code and mail them in. Is that what you did?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Is that some kind of tight fitting jeans, perhaps? ;)

Sorry... couldn't resist :D

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I will be very surprised if the bigger league at nokia is working these days. Our office is empty until 4 dec.

Eikido

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

i own nothing but nokia/n-series and i hope i will in the future but i wouldn't be suprise if i end switching over to a different company one day....

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Sorry, but I did also send the panel, but also wrote the IMEI down on the form. The panel requirement is no different than most other rebates. Most count on someone missing something, or too apathetic to send it out in the first place. The fallout percent for rebates is why they exist in the first place;)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

So you had to cut the barcode on the box? Can we just make copy of the barcode on the box? Wouldn't that be better than destroying this pretty box?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

You have to send the original one. The rebate form actually stipulates it.

But you can always buy a sticker and make a replacement one for your "pretty box" A scanner and a decent printer will replicate it in 95% quality. That original decal is not always so nice either. I also actually got two decals on each of the first N900 boxes I got shipped, one on top of the other. Did anyone else get that as well?

A sharp boxcutter knife run around the plastic decal will make a clean incision for removing it.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

It never ceases to amaze me that people get so me me me in these kind of situations. I for one and happy qa is alittle more important on this update than on the initial relase firmware. I can appreciate that it was gamble then though. Do they delay the release of the phone again or release and fix later? This is standard for any tech company though, and I for one appreciate that I have the phone now (im typing this with it).

Patience people. Nokia promised you nothing. Give them time to get it right. In the meantime i'll be enjoying my phone.

2d

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I guess I'm lucky. My phone does most of what want right now. Certainly there are a few bits and pieces I'd love to see, but nothing so desperate I can't wait a few weeks. I feel sorry for the people with 3 sim cards.

I guess I'm old enough to have learned patience the hard way. ;)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Im reasonably happy with my N900, however it cant be denied that Nokia repeatedly mentioned that a firmware update would come in December/at the end of the year. It was pretty much promised. I can appreciate a delay can happen, as is the way of the world - however Im not sure why people seem to deny it was repeatedly mentioned MMS would come with the next firmware update.

example 1 (translated from the Swedish Nokia site)
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...SmzoMyvONc0Dmw

"Initially limited compatibility with the SIM:
Nokia N900 comes with software to version 1.0, which may affect compatibility with some Hutchinson 3G SIM (mobile operator 3). For full compatibility with all Swedish operators' SIM cards we recommend updating to version 1.1, which is expected to be available for download at the end of December 09th"

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

We are still "towards" the end of December '09 not the "end". Until Dec 31st past, they are still keeping their promise in my book.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

If it comes out then, then great. But be prepared to eat your hat.;)

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Then again perhaps I should as it says 'expected' in December. ha

I could have sworn it was mentioned multiple times by Nokia..

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Is there somewhere a statement why Nokia does not release such a beta firmware to the interested public? Like a special extras-devel for firmware snapshots.
I mean they gave out this firmware to some people for testing and filing bug-reports, but why not use the vast interested community for that. Would probably a win-win-situation.

Most of the end-users wouldn't notice it and all the people here would be happy.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I agree with you on this one. It would have been much better releasing the firmware to the general public rather than some selected bourgeoisies. Look at what happened when the N900 was given to some "selected 300" people for testing. Most of them did not report any problem with the device until it was time for them to return it then they start complaining which as a result was the cause of delay in the release of the N900. Personally, I have lost trust in Nokia development and marketing team Long Time Ago.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

How do you know that after they had returned N900 they started complaining? As far as i understand tester noticed problems and Nokia started fixing them. Just like it was meant to be.

Really Maemo is open and all, but if Nokia made the "beta fw" update available even just for Maemo.org community we would have 90% of people here complaining about crashed applications, restarting N900 and what not. It would backfire nicely to Nokia direction afterll this is internetz and people will hear about it and find way to update the N900 even if Nokia tried to limit it.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

When Nokia announce anything like releasing firmware at the end of Dec...it actually means 2 or 3 months after that....they always delay things and they are never trustworthy. Those that have gone through the release of the N900 knows what i am talking about.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I just don't want web application to suddenly shut down due to internal error, the maps application to be actually useful and not laggy, a proper fb and twitter client.

Yes, developers can make some too, but look at HTC, its all integrated in a contact seemlessly. Nokia should learn from them

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

In fact if I read the announcement correctly this was Nokia's compromise to the community asking for a "publically" available firmware testing. Nokia doesn't want to send it out easily before it's ready.. but was willing to select a few of the "community" to give it to just to see what kind of real-world scenario's cause problems.

Does it suck waiting for firmware updates to fix problems on your device you bought? Yes of course. But this problem exists in all devices. People screamed the G1 sucked until Cupcake... which took a while. But now I don't even think the G1 will get Donut, and myTouch/Cliq I don't think will get Eclair. At least, not without root.

Such is life.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

If you ever experience firmware delays for Nokia n95, e71 .. you'd know exactly what he is talking about. The delays and non-communication is just a joke...

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

i agree here, i hated waiting for the new firmware just so my new device would work how it was supposed to work, and yes firmware was always late.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Talk about irrational revisionist history at its worst.

The early testers filed nearly 300 bugs during the pre-release period, worked on dozens of applications and put a ton of effort into documentation. You do also realize that the loan period is for 6 months, right?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Do not use logic and facts in this place.

You know better!

:D

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

And where do you find a reference to MMS there?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Care to source that? :) The reality is that the vast majority of people wont even consider filing a bug report and the ammount of effort that needs to go into providing a public beta test versus a private one is orders of magnitude higher. There are 3rd party vendors involved (Adobe, etc.) whose licensing agreements make it more complicated, too.

So, while I agree with you that incremental package-level unstable releases would be good for Maemo, let's not pretend that it's a simple process with an easy immediate answer. Although you may not feel like it, this is a big step forward for Nokia. Baby steps. :)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

What promise?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Bug fixing cannot be done on schedule. Bugs are hiding in the deepest layers of OS and even hardware. It takes a good time to hunt them down.
If the firmware release takes some more time then it means that Nokia is seriously trying to fix some annoying bugs instead of just slapping portrait mode onto the webbrowser and making USIM cards usable.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I remember when the n900 was first released in the us, an update 'will be made available by the end of the year' ... to sort out the problems with 3 sims not working!

this delay isn't a suprise. Simple project management would enable a plan to be achieved - something Nokia isn't very good at lol. Look at the delays to the products release, and similar delays to fw fixes for the N96 and N97!

I really believe Nokia needs to start to impress its customers rather than disappoint us. Its unacceptable.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Nokia still hasn't learned from Apple that perception is everything. A simple press release with respect to this matter would've gone a long way with the N900 users.

Secrecy, lies, deception should be a practice of the past. Now that the technological pace has increased dramatically, I want to know the exact day of the updates an hour after a decision is made to offer one. Things can happen, deadlines can be missed, but I want that be communicated to me.