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gerdich 2011-01-16 20:22

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Swype is a very good application for android devices and tablets without hardware keyboard.

It is not fast enough for the n900.


I think there has to be introduced a method that is much faster.
You can't be very fast with drawing.
A fast input method has to work with rhythmic tapping and few fields on the screen.
Even the pressure sensibility of the screen could be used.

realsportcars 2011-01-16 20:39

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerdich (Post 921793)
A fast input method has to work with rhythmic tapping and few fields on the screen.
Even the pressure sensibility of the screen could be used.

What do you mean?

Wikiwide 2011-01-16 22:38

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by realsportcars (Post 921800)
What do you mean?

Morse code?
:)

mattbutsko 2011-01-17 04:21

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

It is not fast enough for the n900.
This is nonsense.

gerdich 2011-01-17 12:57

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
On a good keyboard you can do 10 chars/second.
On the hardware keyboard of the n900 you can do 3-4 chars/second.
With drawing (palm graffiti or swype) you can do 1-2 chars/second.

There are different possiblities to implement rythmic tapping.


I'm thinking of an on-screen system with 5 chars/second:
Like an old handy: 9 fields on the screen (3x3)
You use 3 fingers.
Only landscape orientation is possible (place for fingers)

Each field has different meanings following to the rythm.
In a unit of 3: The first letter is considered as consonant, the second letter is considered as a vowel and the third is again a consonant.
In a unit of 2: The first letter is a consonant and the second a vowel.
If you want a syllable beginning with a voyel you have to use a unit of 3 beginning with a "blank" letter.

For.each class of letters (vowels or consonants) you have two sets of letters, depending of the pressure.
This means 18 vowels and 18 consonants.
The vowels include diphtongs.
For the consonant a third pressure mode is necessary to have enough consonants.

You are tapping with the hardware keyboard open.
The thumb of the other hand uses the keybord for mode changes (special characters) and the space bar.

T9 will be useless on that speed. The user interaction disturbes rythm and thinking of the writer.

At least 5 chars/second are necessary to take lecture notes.


(Another good solution could be a good joystick or multi button mouse, together with the use of the hardware keyboard.
Perhaps it could be better to use a 4x3 field on the screen. This would allow all consonants with only to levels of pressure.)

gerdich 2011-01-17 13:57

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
PS.: With Morse Code you can achieve until 6 chars/second.

efekt 2011-01-17 15:53

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerdich (Post 922267)
On a good keyboard you can do 10 chars/second.

10 characters a second? How? by using all your ten fingers simultaneously or your bionic hand?

gerdich 2011-01-17 19:03

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
I'm speaking about a professional external keyboard.
Yes! With 10 fingers naturally.
You can achieve even 15 characters/second.

realsportcars 2011-01-17 19:18

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerdich (Post 922510)
I'm speaking about a professional external keyboard.
Yes! With 10 fingers naturally.
You can achieve even 15 characters/second.

A kb must be usable in first place...also by "noob"...perhaps swype is not the fastest method but it is usable from everybody

gerdich 2011-01-17 19:21

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
The hardware keyboard is even easier to use.
And it is faster.

Why should I use swype on a n900?

Swype is a good software for Android.

realsportcars 2011-01-17 19:24

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerdich (Post 922528)
The hardware keyboard is even easier to use.
And it is faster.

Why should I use swype on a n900?

Swype is a good software for Android.

Because sometimes people need use only one hand or because they dislike open/close keyboard for write short message!

gerdich 2011-01-17 19:28

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
It's true:
The hardware keyboard is very slow with one hand.

But Swype with only one hand?
How will you hold the n900.
Do you think that Swype will be faster with one hand than the hardware keyboard?

realsportcars 2011-01-17 19:47

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerdich (Post 922538)
It's true:
The hardware keyboard is very slow with one hand.

But Swype with only one hand?
How will you hold the n900.
Do you think that Swype will be faster with one hand than the hardware keyboard?

I never tried swype, but I love T9 for short message (In fact I created an app for this). And swype seems to be more fast than T9...Perhaps you are right: with only one hand swype could be hard to use, but you have to "paint" not press key, so (IMHO) it could be more easy than hw keyboard...

Spr33 2011-01-25 00:15

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Apparently the Nokia C6 has swype...

http://www.twitvid.com/Z0YI9

nodevel 2011-02-15 20:55

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
I noticed Intel was showing Swype on their MeeGo tablet prototype at MWC (for example here). When it runs on MeeGo, should't be possible to port it to Maemo?

sjgadsby 2011-02-15 21:07

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 947411)
I noticed Intel was showing Swype on their MeeGo tablet prototype at MWC (for example here). When it runs on MeeGo, should't be possible to port it to Maemo?

Intel has license to distribute a binary with their tablet UX demo. That doesn't mean the source code is available.

Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-27 01:52

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
There's one key phrase in the swype on MeeGo tablet demo video here said by the guy giving the demo (it's also very possible that he's just got the concept wrong, and is wrong. After all it's just a demo rep, but still...):

"...we have an evaluation version available for MeeGo... uhhh... via OSS..."

Now there's only two abbreviations of OSS that I know of, and the only one that makes sense in context of software is Open Source Software (the other is Office of Strategic Services... is that a MeeGo relevant phrase?).

fusi 2011-05-27 02:38

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
used this on my prev winmo phone - its very _very_ good - thumbs up from me

shaddam 2011-05-31 20:10

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
i remember using this as a trial on my 5800, got quite fast entering stuff after a while, would be nice to have it again

gav

skykooler 2011-07-22 15:36

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
I tried it on Nitdroid. I liked it. t seems like the developer views Maemo as a dead platform though. :( I think I will have a go at writing a Maemo version.

bocephus 2011-12-04 20:47

Re: [Under consideration] Swype input for N900
 
I assume nothing ever came of this, and it's basically a dead concept...?

Could this be of any help at all if one wanted to incorporate Swype on the N900 vkb?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79899


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