Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

What if you reboot now. You should be able to connect to the keyboard without stopping and starting bluetoothd. And you shouldn't need to repair. And you shouldn't need to click on connect. All you should need to do is turn on the external keyboard and press a (few) key(s) on the external keyboard. It should then connect (after a few seconds). The bluetooth symbol on the top of the screen should turn from white to blue. And you should be able to type. Then you can issue the setxkbmap command (and type a key on the internal keyboard) and it should work.

Can you verify this?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Nope, it became unable to connect after reboot. And I can´t get it back in.

Modules hid and hidp have also disappeared.

Update:
Hang on I am going to reflash. I might have screwed this up when I tried to restore my backup settings and programs. Both those operations failed, but something might have changed nevertheless.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

What if after you upgrade to 51 you delete the existing entry for the keyboard in the bluetooth menu and then repair? I vaguely remember some post to the effect that the format of the bluetooth connection database has changed. But I can't find the post now and I may misremember.

The hid and hidp modules disappearing is a symptom, not a cause. The modules should be installed automatically by the bluetooth demon. And for reasons that I don't understand, the bluetooth demon is not starting up configured to do keyboard input.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

I don´t get it in when I do that. In fact I am afraid that trying to re-pair or reinstall it may be what breaks the link so to speak.

In other words I am starting to believe that the keyboard only works because it´s done so before. But when you re-pair it you break the old link and start at the beginning.

Update:
Just to let you know I am now upgrading again from week 46 to week 51.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

In order to get to these differences, I've attached my /etc/main.conf (renamed to "main.txt" to keep the attachment facility happy) file and the output of "lsmod" and of "ps aux" in files "lsmod.txt" and "ps.txt", respectively. I ran "ps" and "lsmod" after pairing my keyboard but not getting a new device according to hildon-im-xkbtool. Can you compare these to what you get after successfully connecting up with the keyboard, or post your main.conf, kernel module and process lists?

Best regards, Jan

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

More important than the output of lsmod and ps is to see the contents of
/etc/event.d/bluetooth-sysinfo
and
/etc/event.d/bluetoothd
Also do an ls -l on them.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Ok guys, Jan and Jeff/Jeffrey

This may be the most stupid question ever.

But what is the easiest was to get a log like this out of X-terminal?

The phone is about to restart after the week 46 to 51 OTA update.

Best wishes,
Oli

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Could you also do an ls -l /usr/sbin/bluetoothd on 51.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Redirect as much as you can to files. The rest, cut and paste into vi.
A more powerful way is to install emacs and run in a shell buffer then save it as a file.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf is identical to mine except for a comment.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Jan and Jeffrey,

I can´t get it to remain connected for a extended period of time, or enough time to get a log to you. I can see the icon become blue for 5-10 secs and then disappear.

I´ve gone through the motions multiple times.

I can´t seem to replicate what I did 2 hours ago, where it remained connected for at least a good 10 minutes after OTA to week 51.

I figure the worst thing that can happen if I copy the bluetoothd file from usr/sbin, the week 46 version into the week 51 firmware, is that the device will bricked. Maybe that is something to try?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Try changing the batteries on your bluetooth keyboard.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Can you just do an ls -l on /etc/event.d/bluetooth-sysinfo, /etc/event.d/bluetoothd, and /usr/sbin/bluetoothd and send me the dates and sizes?

Also does 46 work for longer? Can you reboot 46 and have it still work?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

No it isn´t working. Also I can see that there is some information on previously stored bluetooth devices being stored somewhere.


I changed the name of the device. Then deleted the device. When I went back to re-pair the N900 did not come back with the standard "Bluetooth Keyboard" name but the custom one I had given it earlier.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Week 51 firmware:
/etc/event.d/bluetooth-sysinfo 384 Jul 27 03:47
/etc/event.d/bluetoothd 594 Nov 18 05:43
/usr/sbin/bluetoothd 338920 Nov 18 05:46

I have copied the files from event.d onto the tmp directory in my MyDocs if you care for them.

I am going to reflash back to 42 and upgrade to week 44. It did work for at least 5 mins in both cases I did that. So yes I believe so.

I´ll give you the numbers on these files above from the week 44 firmware. But from the files above you can see that on Nov. 18th they likely made the changes that disabled the bluetooth keyboard.

Week 44 firmware:
/etc/event.d/bluetooth-sysinfo 384 Jul 27 03:47
/etc/event.d/bluetoothd 586 Sep 16 04:22
/usr/sbin/bluetoothd 344520 Sep 16 04:24

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Because it remembers the bluetooth address. I think it might store this info in the gconf database.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Might that database store something else interesting, like information on how it should treat the specific devices?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Guys see this difference between week 51 and week 44.

Swapping out the week 51 bluetoothd files for the week 44 ones does not work. If you do bluetooth just won´t start up at all.

I filed a bug for this change. Not getting my hopes up for it to be addressed, but maybe the Nokia people didn´t intend on this.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8483

Please vote for getting Nokia to make it possible to connect to bluetooth keyboards again.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Voted for this bug.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

what do i need to do to vote?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

There is a separate login system for bugs.maemo.org from the one we use here on talk.maemo.org

You need to create a account here:
https://bugs.maemo.org/createaccount.cgi

Once you´ve created an account you can login:
https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi?GoAheadAndLogIn=1

And then you can go and vote on the bug:
https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?act...8483#vote_8483

When you are on the vote page you place a little tick mark in the box in front of the name and number of the bug, and then you click the "Change my votes" button at the bottom of the page to register the vote :)


Here below is a link to a search filter for all N900 bugs reported. Feel free to go through those, comment and vote as well on those you feel are important. Voting at least shows our friends at Nokia that there is some interest for getting these "bugs" fixed.

N900 bug search

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Ok have voted..

Guys, follow Oli's instructions above and vote because this needs to be sorted.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Just voted.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Several people (myself and olighak) have successfully gotten bluetooth keyboards to work with week 44. And no one has reported failure to do so. Two people (dnastase and filologen) have reported getting bluetooth keyboards to work with week 51. And two people (olighak and jtkim) have reported failure to do so. One difference appears to be that dnastase and filologen did an OTA (apt-get) update to 51 while olighak and jtkim updated by reflash. Olighak subsequently reflashed to 42 and then did OTA updates to 44 then 51 but was unsuccessful in getting bluetooth keyboards to work with 51. At one point Olighak got 51 to work with bluetooth keyboards after and OTA update but it stopped working after reboot.

Is the above accurate? (The purpose it to document our understanding clearly in one place.)

Dnastase and filologen: Does 51 still work with bluetooth keyboards for you? Have you rebooted and does it still work?

Has anybody else tried to get bluetooth keyboards to work with 51? If so, please report success or failure and whether you did an OTA update or a reflash or reflash followed by OTA (like what olighak did).

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Here's my situation.

I got my n900 the day that PR 1.1 was released about 3 weeks ago. I did an OTA update to 51 the first or second time that I turned on the device. IOW, I never tried to pair or use my bluetooth keyboard (which is an "iGo Think Outside") on 44.

My BT keyboard paired sucessfully the first time. My problem is that the the BT keyboard never connects which should happen by simply pressing keys on the BT keyboard.

When I look at the my "Settings / Bluetooth / Devices" and edit the Think Outside Keyboard, it does not show a connect option. All that is shown is the "edit" button. The other button is always greyed out.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Hi all,

Qobi, I really appreciate the effort you've made to help the community with this workaround. (Particularly since you've had it working for over a month, yourself!) This kind of support makes all the difference.

I'm running the week 51 firmware. I did most of the configuration before the update (I think). I updated through OTA. And, now, the iGo ThinkOutside Stowaway Mini Foldable External Bluetooth Keyboard of Many Names works (almost) flawlessly.

Before copying .../symbols/us, .../symbols/pc and .../geometry/pc from .../xkb-chinook into .../xkb, I was receiving 'X Error of failed request: 141...Major opcode...142...Minor opcode...8' errors, similar to those reported by others in some of the later posts to this thread. However, my keyboard was clearly paired and functioning, and device ID 4 was clearly present.

However, I only received those errors if I used the two-part (setxkbmap-pipe-to-xkbcomp) method, including both the path ('-I -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook') and the device ID ('-i4') in the _xkbcomp_ portion of the command as well as the setxkbmap portion. The unified setxkbmap method showed no errors, even when set to verbose ('-v10'), but failed to do anything. (Similar behavior was reported by others in some of the earlier posts to this thread).

Now, I can use the unified command and (as long as I remember to press a key on the internal keyboard after setting the keymap), everything works fine. Well, almost everything....

Remaining issues:

1. Not sure how to trigger the setxkbmap automatically when the keyboard pairs

2. One still has to press a key on the internal keyboard after setting the keymap

3. The <Enter> key on the external keyboard only works when the internal keyboard is slid open

4. There is some kind of key-press time-delay issue that I remember from my 770 days. If I press the <Enter> key too soon after (or before) releasing another key, the <Enter> fails to register. Effectively, this means that I often have to hit Enter twice, especially if I'm typing quickly. I distinctly remember a one-line fix for this...but I haven't managed to dredge it up.

Thanks again, qobi, and good luck to those who are still hacking.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

I have rebooted several times and everything still works with my Nokia su-8w keyboard :-)

It connects automatically, when I turn on the keyboard (I still have to press a button on the internal keyboard for the layout settings to take effect though).

Having the same issues...
 

Well, having just gotten a Palm 3245WW in the mail, I'm finding that I'm also unable to get it to stay connected after a pairing. I get about 3 seconds of the blue symbol on the desktop before it un-pairs and the keyboard goes back into searching mode.

One thing I do note is that when I request info on the connections via hcitool I'm seeing the following:

Is it me, or shouldn't the keyboard be in slave mode? Is there a way to watch what bluez is trying to do when it gets the connect signal?

I also did an OTA update, but never tried pairing before today. I'm not showing a device 4, ever, so that part is clearly unhappy. I'm wondering if there's some gconf data thats different for the bluetooth service between 42 and 51 as well. Is there a simple way to extract that data out to a file to compare against?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

My keyboard still works. I am using it right now.
There have been multiple reboots in the meantime.

We have to figure out what changed in PR1.1. Otherwise I'll be reluctant to upgrade next time :(

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

i'd appreciate you knowledgable chaps finding a solution for this. This is the one missing feature on the N900 for me.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Absolutely. I made the mistake of not reading through the changelog for 1.1 before I upgraded. If I had known that there were irreversible firmware updates for the cellular chip I would probably not have updated. The fact that I´d lose ability to use the N900 as a cellphone is what is keeping me away from "downgrading" back to firmware from week 44. (PR1.01)

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

I don't know if this helps the discussion at all, but before I upgraded OTA to 51-1, I had successfully paired my ThinkOutside Keyboard, and noticed that under

Bluetooth > Devices, ThinkOutside Keyboard, Edit

I had an option button to connect/disconnect the device, which worked as advertised -- if the keyboard was not connected, the connect button was visible, and vice versa.

Now, under 51-1, the button is permanently set to 'disconnect' and grayed-out. Clicking it causes 'no active connection' to flash at the top of the screen.

I didn't check whether this connect/disconnect feature worked on any other bluetooth devices before the 51-1 OTA upgrade, but certainly now it is also set to a grayed-out 'disconnect' for my laptop, even though they are not actually connected.

If connect to my laptop and send a file using petrovich, the disconnect button becomes live during the transfer, then grayed-out again afterwards.

In summary, it seems like the connect/disconnect feature has changed behaviour as part of the upgrade, and I wonder if this is related to our keyboard connectivity issues?

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Sorry for nub question but can somebody create a comprehensive step by step instruction without referencing other posts? Thanks a lot.

I love my n900.:D

BugHunter

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Hello,
I have just purchased a freedom pro keyboard ( http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-...m-pro-keyboard ) but I am unable to get it working. It won't work at all. I have enabled the bluetooth input plugin as described at http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsu...tooth_profiles and restarted bluetooth as well.
I am able to succesfully pair the keyboard (N900 does even show that it's a keyboard device), but issuing hildon-im-xkbtool --list does not show the keyboard connected.
What can be wrong? I thought the only difference between bluetooth keyboards is if they support SPP or HID profile (this one supports both), am I wrong?

By the way, I have tried to pair the keyboard with my notebook and it works fine there.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Guys, report this issue officially and hopefully we'll get a authorised fix for it. Oli's instructions are quoted above.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

My understanding is that fililogen has a Nokia SU-8W, olighak has a palm
keyboard which he believes is identical to a Stowaway, woody14619 has a Palm
3245WW, JoHnY has a freedom pro, and jtkim, cardiff-blues, dnastase,
rabilancia, poser, beel, and I (qobi) have an iGo Think Outside.

My understanding is that everyone above except me is running 51.

My understanding is that filologen, dnastase, poser, and I have succeeded in
getting bluetooth keyboards to connect while olighak, woody14619, JoHnY,
jtkim, cardiff-blues, rabilancia, and beel have not.

My understanding is that everyone succeeds in pairing the bluetooth keyboard.

My understanding is that filologen, beel, rabilancia, poser, woody14619,
dnastase, and beel did an OTA update to 51.
Olighak first reflashed to 51, then reflashed to 42, and then did OTA updates
to 44 and 51.
I don't know how jtkim, cardiff-blues, and JoHnY updated to 51.

My understanding is that poser, filologen, and dnastase created a bluetooth
connection to their keyboard from their N900 prior to upgrading to 51 but
olighak, woody14619, JoHnY, jtkim, cardiff-blues, rabilancia, and beel did not.

Please correct any mistakes in the above.

Can people who successfully connect their bluetooth keyboard to their N900
under 51 please send me the output of:

$ gconftool -R /system/bluetooth

And can people who are unsuccessful at connecting their bluetooth keyboard to
their N900 under 51 also send me the output of the above.

Is anyone able to connect their N900 over bluetooth to another device (such as
a bluetooth headset or other cell phone or other computer) with week 51?
Please also let me know whether or not you previously connected to that device
from your N900 prior to upgrade to 51 (and if you are not in the above list,
whether you are able to connect to a bluetooth keyboard and whether you
connected to that keyboard prior to upgrade to 51.)

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Firstly I can confirm that I have a working Nokia su-8w, that I did an OTA upgrade to 44 and 51, and that I had already paired the keyboard prior to both updates.

Secondly, here is the result of the gconftool command:
I will try to conect to another bluetooth device and repport failure or success later this weekend.

Best regards

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Here's my output. I had to reflash my device
and updated with the latest release I think. Excuse me for being vague. But i am slowly learning.

devices = [00:24:33:73:FA:4F,00:0C:78:6D:DF:E3,00:19:15:32:3B :67]
/system/bluetooth/device:
/system/bluetooth/device/00:0C:78:6D:DF:E3:
name = BT70R
services = [audio,rendering,HSP,HFP]
class = 16770052
icon = control_bluetooth_audio
/system/bluetooth/device/00:24:33:73:FA:4F:
name = ANDY-LAPTOP-PC
services = [audio,object transfer,capturing,rendering,networking,00000002-0000-1000-8000-0002ee000002,00001000-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,00001104-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,OPP,FTP,00001107-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,HSP,0000110a-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,A2DP,0000110c-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,0000110e-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,HSP-AG,00001115-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,0000111b-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,HFP-AG,0000112f-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb,00001304-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb]
class = 16769292
icon = control_bluetooth_computer
/system/bluetooth/device/00:19:15:32:3B:67:
strong_pin_pairing = false
name = Think Outside Keyboard
services = [HID,00001200-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb]
class = 16770368
icon = control_keyboard
~ $

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

Thank you so much to all you people! I followed qobi's instructions and now I can punctuate sentences from my SU-8W!

It did not work when I originally expanded the xkb-chinook.tar file on my PC and copied the folder to the N900, so used the tar command on the N900 as instructed. I am using week 51. This is the third N900 I've had, (first two had problems) and the week 51 update happened on the evening I took it home from the store, so I've only connected the KB since then.

I've voted on on the bug page.

Re: how to get bluetooth pc105 keyboards to work with N900
 

qobi,

I can confirm your summary of my specific situation.

Here is the output from 'gconftool':

devices = [00:0A:30:60:1E:E0,00:19:15:13:D2:A1]
/system/bluetooth/device:
/system/bluetooth/device/00:0A:30:60:1E:E0:
name = HandsFreeLink TM
services = [audio,object transfer,OPP,HFP]
class = 16770056
icon = control_bluetooth_audio_handsfree
/system/bluetooth/device/00:19:15:13:D2:A1:
strong_pin_pairing = false
name = Think Outside Keyboard
services = [HID,00001200-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb]
class = 16770368
icon = control_keyboard

Also, I can successfully pair and repeatedly connect to my Honda Accord Bluetooth "hands free" as well as pair and repeatedly connect from two different laptops via Bluetooth DUN after installing "Bluetooth Dial-Up Networoking" v1.0-6.

Thanks for leading this effort!
Rich