Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

oh fuc king sh it ! No Ovi Maps for N900 ?

It's fuc king time to dump this fu cking phone and buy a Android NOW!

-- Sorry about lanquage but this is too much!

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I have little concern about N900 being unfinished, AS LONG as Nokia provides similar capability (within reason) to what's elsewhere.

OVI maps is a case in point.

But if they just abandon the N900 users completely and focus entirely on maemo 6/next devices they are loosing hearts/minds of many users first steps to this platform.

That will seal the fate of maemo for me for certain. I'll be out of here and off to android despite the google empire issue.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

It is also really nice that you can't access the OVI Maps (from ovi.com) with MicroB...

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Stop being a fanboy and drop the lousy attitude. The issue here is that Nokia clearly singles out this device when coming to updates and features - MMS and PC suite support just to name a few.

The fact that it is once again singled out just proves that it is either not ready, has limitations or it has low priority inside Nokia organization - it is a business decision after all...

So see the post as what it is - as i said on my previous post, it is not the maps that worries me - the low interest of Nokia in the platform does. More, with the 5800 they tested the waters of touch and it did not cost the moon. For a device as expensive as the N97 or as a laptop I do expect ALL the features are available.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

lol, chill dude, it will come to maemo soon or later.

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It's allready been confirmed to be coming to N97 after FW update. Week or so from now.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Have you seen the OVI Maps camera cars driving down your street taking Streetview pics? :D

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

...or get a Symbian device and do it today for free?

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Yeah, because Nokia always makes these official announcements throught the Twitter account of a Indian mobile phone blog :rolleyes:

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I have 2 (besides the N900), N95 and E75 - all 3 devices shunned by today's announcement! :(

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Those would propably be Navteq's super-laser cars.
Navteq touts 3D laser mapping technology



http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//20...sm_540x268.jpg

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Future sales? N900 came out only three months ago!! Many people will buy new N900 in the future, because the price now starts to decreasem and free navigation would be a strong plus!!

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

:-) room for WISHFUL thinking :-)

But lets see what happens - and what happens with Sygic Offer...

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That's not the point, this is Nokia's flagship product, this should be their first priority regardless. If it's not their priority product then it should not be labeled as the flagship product. So far Nokia has not handle this FLAGSHIP product well enough at all, months of several delays, several bugs, and poor support.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

I imagine the decisions at Nokia are made by Inspecter Clouseau!

"We have a great product - N900 we have a large user base here in Europe and a teeny-weeny user base in the USA. Where shall we launch first? It's a no brainer - let's launch in the USA!"

"There are bugs in the N900's firmware. Let's prematurely release new firmware and create new ones"

"Maemo 5 is complete but still needs some work. F*** it! Let's create a new version and ignore the current version it's a few months old - that's ancient"

"Let's announce free ovi maps update to 10 phones, ignore the n97 flagship phone and don't worry we'll release a free version for maemo - except it will be the new version we have not finished yet"

"The n900 sold really well! How can we improve sales? We could release the free ovi maps for it too what a great selling point! Why spend £500 on a gps sat nav system when you can buy an n900 phone and functioning computer instead? - Nah! F*** it we'll release for the next non-existent maemo & phone version instead!"

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And therein lies the problem!

If the rumour is true that sygic held back their release to wait for nokia's OVI store then it seems logical to assume that the two companies have an agreement. Said agreement would surely cover nokia not undermining sygic's product so just before it is launched.

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Jaco2k,

Don`t you think in other direction - maybe all of us, which are using N900, are pissed from Symbian?
Maybe we see a possibility in N900 that Nokia can/will change their thoughts about their faithful users and bring good possibilities for upgrade OS, update with newer apps and games, just as other phone producers do? I`m talking about Apple and Google.
I do not understand why Nokia is selling very expensive devised, but without possibility to upgrade it? It no make sence.

I am still thinking that N900 is grate device, but if in next year or two Nokia will not bring Maemo 6 and other functionalities to N900 it will be my last Nokia device. Just as I did with SonyEricsson`s smartphones.

Regards and I hope Nokia to change its mind and start act as real friend to his users.

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No, just no.

Sygic is owned by Teleatlas. Teleatlas is Navteq's biggest competitor. Nokia spent 5 billion euros in buying Navteq. They sure as hell won't be doing stuff like that.

Less silly conspiracy theories please.

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The thing I don't get about this is that they made a big thing about the navigation capabilities of the N810. IIRC, the basic device came with a car holder and the Navicore license I got for the 770 transfered over without a hitch.

Nav was a huge part of the previous NIT platforms but is now strangely ignored in the current gen.

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I had a N97 for five months before I picked up the N900 and I waited longer for basic bug-fixes initially, even on the big update ( heavily delayed !) thing were still in need of work
The Skype application that was mentioned in N97 marketing STILL isn't released, But that didn't stop me enjoying the device

Nothing is perfect and If you think Nokia is spending any more time or resources on Maemo than it's relatively meagre sales warrant then you are kidding your self.

"It is a business decision after all.."

Patience seems in very short supply round here of late

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The suspect, on the nokia attitude, is that they created an open environment supposing that it would grow automatically with the userbase contributions: no need to develope programs = money saving. We will resolve this suspect soon.

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Navicore was an exelent product but Waypoint destroyed that in seconds after they got hold on the company. Ovi Maps has only 3% of the capabilities and functionality than Navicore ever had. I really miss Navicore!

Now there is not even a carholder for N900. Bull ****!

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:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I hope so too.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Maybe we should add the following solution to this Brainstorm: ;)

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Don't cry, Nokia has developed Nokia Maps since 2007 or so and it's 2010 now. There were no Ovi/Nokia Maps on the previous tablet generations. The Maemo 5 version was just quick and dirty port and the UI had to made from the scratch. Don't expect the Maemo 5 and Symbian versions to be at the same line.

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We shall see what happend in the next few months.

This could also mean "dumped" on the community!

At least most of it is open-source. If we are unhappy with how Nokia treats us and the n900 at least we can "take charge" over the platform to develop it ourselves.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

i guess someone (marketing) told them to give something before apple launches v4 ... to kill a bit the growing enthusiasm for iphone (and even android)
so ... it's just marketing
i'm afraid n900 is not in direct competition to android and iphone etc ... so ... we might have to wait ... and ... wait ... an maybe .... hope i won't trade my n900 for something else in the meantime

or ... maybe the good people from maemo could make us a surprise :D

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Errhm... source? Nokia-reseller from Timbuktu?

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

n900 is just too good to be true. seriously, its not made for our kind of market. it has so much things working out of the box, the best mobile web experience, the best free voip integration, the best community support... they built the best hardware, put linux in it and gave it to the community to play with! i can hear jobs and gates and page yelling "this is communism"!

they are working hard to limit it now. because they cant release the perfect device. because its just that our economical system is not made for that. first free calls, now free gps with free updated maps! for all the people that can spend 500 euros! no more fees! c'mon guys you know this cant happen...

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No, you're right. You don't follow me at all.
I was commenting on the fact that people has expectations, takes it as a matter of fact, that they should have gotten a free upgrade to Ovi Maps.

You really cannot have such expectations. It is not the norm but the exception whenever some company release payware upgrades which haven't been preannounced.

I am guessing that you had premium software that came with a 1 year free upgrade policy. If so, it was garanteed to have been preannounced as a part of the marketing material. If not, that is an exception and not the rule for aftersales upgrades.

When people rage about unsatisfied expections, those expections should be based on what is the business norm, not on what they would like to have had because it's better elsewhere.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Well.. this is really the first thing to really bother me about my N900... kind a disappointed… and shows that Nokia is not that really interested in supporting our beloved N900..

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Of course. Free world wide unlimited 3G data subscriptions included would also be a strong plus as the price starts to decrease.

However, Nokia doesn't have it readily available for the N900 at the moment. What they have is an Ovi Maps version that isn't very good. We got that. In the next version of Maemo they've said they will have a better version, free. As the better version is made for Maemo 6, which will cost money and time to develop, in the future, Nokia may or may not decide to make it backward compatible and available for M5. Or someone may or may not find a way to enable M5 to run it without Nokia making any extra work for it.

Right now, Nokia will not put together an extra team of people because they think "hey, the GPS software we put in the N900 people, shouldn't we upgrade that for free?" * 1)

Because Nokia, like everyone else, are planning for future sales, not existing devices.


*) But they may already have done so, in the past. It is a possibility that they are already working on it as a way to strengthen the Maemo name in the market. It was said the list of devices would increase. However, Maemo is not Symbian which explains both why we weren't included this time and why the Maps version on the N900 is different (lousier) than on the 5800 Nav Ed.
And if they were, I don't think we'd been hearing all about the M6 milestone today.

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how come that i always buy these devices that are kicked in their butts by the developers? ^^

i just hope they'll make it available for free for the n900 sometime.

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Is the source of the currently installed ovi maps available?

If that is the case then it can be updated to include the free service?

Failing that write a new version that can take advantage of the new free service?

At least we still have options or am I being naive?

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I don't know, are you an early adopter? Early adopters are always screwed.

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This is the problem. It appears the n900 is already yesterday's technology and maemo 5 will be "legacy" software.

It is all about sales.

The n900 was successful but from Nokia's point-of-view no much money can be made from it once its been sold but they have to support it and this means allocating minimal numbers of developers to it. They would rather use these developers for the next product.

Nokia need to sell devices - the next version of maemo may not manifest itself until a new device is released. They are hoping you are willing to upgrade to the new device and generate more sales for Nokia.

Hopefully when maemo 6 is eventually released we can upgrade our n900s to the new version. If not there will be plenty of people p***** off people.

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I'm ok with Nokia not giving us N900 users free navigation for Maps.....

BUT at least give us a FUNCTIONAL Maps application!

I sincerely hope the Nokia team is improving on the application as we speak.

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Perhaps, but it's common and wise business sense to retain your current customer base because it's less costly to keep one customer than attracting a new one. It's the easiest path to growing marketshare. Improving maemo5 is an investment in maemo6.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Why are you implying that the N900 is the past, its been out for a couple of months (in many cases, mainstream release ia few weeks ago!), not to mention rumours of an unsubsidised N900 in the US - assuming the press releases are correct the next maemo device will be out in H2 - that could be up until December. The N900 being the flagship product/highend product will be a key part of the Nokia portfolio. Support of Maemo ovi maps navigation will benefit future sales - even as yet the N900 is in its infancy.

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Yes, it seems to me that MANY N900 sales are still in the future. The N900 environment is improving quickly--check your repositories. This is going to make it a more attractive purchase. Nokia needs to worry about two things: 1) The present, 2) the future. The N900 is both.