Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I'm a bit bewildered by people blaming the email software and MicroB for the fact that they're in a 2g connection area (or indeed in my case fairly often a 0g or anything else area). I find the n900 email and browsing better than anything else I tried on this crappy signal, which admittedly isn't saying much. On a wifi connection, the email is as fast as my laptop. I admit I don't try to search email - I can sort by date, sender or subject which is usually accurate enough for my needs.

I'm sorry people are disappointed. N900 has lived up to and exceeded my expectations. Most computers seem to me to be damnably slow (because my brain is overclocked) but n900 is no worse than any other I've used, and a lot better than some.

And Mo is sorry to hear that the only other n900 we know of in the Duchy will be going back. :(

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

But your logic works both ways.. A flawed assumption that everything is fine with the N900?

It does seem that a lot of die hard Maemo people are burying their heads in the sand. Yes the N900 is generally zippy but can slow down at times.. Id like the N900 OS to be a competitor to Android/iphone one of these days (in terms of bugs/polish/interoperable apps).

Sorry Im not trying to be antagonistic, I just want to improve things.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I dunno. Here's my experience with this stuff...

My n810 was an excellent device (still is, still works, just isn't fast enough, doesn't have some capabilities I now enjoy with the n900). It was not by any means polished, but it did well what it it.

My n900 is a step forward, with a shuffle to the left (or right if you prefer a conservative slant...) - it's much faster than the n900 was, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. It also bears in mind the official Nokia stance of 'one step closer to the final product.'

This is not an excuse. It's more in the way of a fact. As an early adopter, these things must be taken into account. This is not a criticism of anyone who dislikes the device. It is, also, a fact.

Yes, it's incredibly frustrating to have your expectations cruelly dashed, but consider if your expectations coming in were unrealistic. My own were a faster n810 with tv out. That's what I got, and more. SOmetimes I try to make it do things I think it should and get knocked back. The result is to wait and see or DIY. My experience with this community has been that the former is usually a good thing given my coding skills, but the latter is still doable. And fun, after all these years.

I haven't found a problem I can't live with.

It might be that the original ads were misleading, but I don't think so (except for the one with the photo at the concert - bit naff that). The device actually does perform according to those adverts. In my experience.

Maybe it's because my first computer was a ZX81 and this is so much better :)

Maybe it's because I manage my expectations.

The <pick other supplier here>Phone may meet others' expectations better because they're aimed squarely at those expectations, whereas I *think* the n900 is aimed squarely at the 'what can we achieve on the road to a real consumer device' target.

It is a pretty neat little box though.

wibble

PS I'm not a fanperson, I'm far too old and grey for that. Don't go there, okay?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I dunno, maybe the Duke himself has one. Someone should ask him...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

There is no burying my head in the sand. I can guarantee you I use my Nokia the way it was meant to be used. Business IT-Professional, and I have zero problems with it. The things people complain about I consider "fluffware" problems. I personally don't give a **** if the media player doesn't hold a playlist (which apparantly it does, but I've never investigated it). I didn't buy it to listen to music. I can buy a cheap ipod for that.

I bought it so I can quite literally keep tabs on over 800 stores from anywhere, access both *nix and Windows machines via either ssh, telnet, VNC and remote desktop while being anywhere. That is where the n900 shines, and is obviously the n900's target audience.

Hell, when the device comes with the shell icon literally in your face on the app menu, it's obvious who the target audience is. I show others the shell and they're like, "Um.. cool."

Obviously not intended for them as they're not IT professionals and have no clue what Linux or even a shell is. I'm glad for the people that come here and learn and have the "tough enough" attitude to tweak, hack and mold their n900 to do what they want. That's the point of it. But to cry because some app scrolls a little too slow for you means you're in the wrong field. And I will never be apologetic for that. Again, if you don't even know how to check the n900's uptime, you probably shouldn't own it. It wasn't meant for you. (You being anyone reading this)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Sorry, no it doesn't work both ways. Things are fine by default. If the majority doesn't complain, it doesn't indicate "heads buried in sand"-- it indicates a lower threshold for satisfaction.

And while we're at it, your comment is one of those unnecessarily provocative statements that elicits backlash. It is antagonistic by nature.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Sometimes when i read these i feel like my 5 weeks old N900 is somehow different ;)
Music player is fast. I got Ipod touch 2G, Zune HD and 5800 here to compare. Only thing that's mentioned here is that it takes 1-3h to regonize all the songs i put there first time i transfered videos, music and what not to N900. This should be fixed and fast no doubt.

My videos play great on the N900. Example random 700mb Top Gear episode from Finalgear.com played like a dream and i actually got 2 Top Gear season on the device with 2 movies that play just as smooth with no need to do anything to the videos. Thought i got 40mb trailer that did take 4 secs to start and then stutters like crazy.

Do your ipod touch really play any random file you give it? Mine didn't and i started from the presumption that i would need to do something to the video before it would even play.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

But surely you admit your opinion is pretty small minded - you arent exactly considering the rest of the more mainstream N900 owners.. I wouldnt say your opinion is all that relevant then! If there is a media player on a device, at least make it work well, same goes for maps etc etc. There are other users with differing needs out there.

Well from the blogs/threads on here I see quite a few issues, I hope these are fixed. :)

My comment is in response to a lot of the comments that have been directed at any criticism/raising of issues - basically casting aside any complaint about the N900.

But yeah maybe it was a little provocative so sorry about that, its definitely not my intention to cause problems.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I don't know why you are classifying this device as an IT pro's only, when Nokia didn't do that.
This is a multimedia device as well, and I do like it's shell, but it's definitely not my primary use.

Just surf to maemo.nokia.com to get a sense of it - it's different by any means from the usual plain white HTML page you'll get for the common linux guru web page.

As an IT pro you probably have heard the joke about the guy that called support with his computer's outlet disconnected, and the guy told him to return the PC to the store...
This might be the attitude of IT, or perhaps only you, but problems like apps that scrolls too slow or any other UI issue is a big concern for the non-CLI common guy, and you'll be surprised how many non-CLI users buy this phone.
To un-legitimate their experience feedbacks is non legitimate by itself...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Again, "mainstream" n900 owners are a majority that probably should NOT own it. Maemo is a BRAND NEW OS. It's GOING to have problems.

Nokia is genius. The N900 is landing in the hands of the people they want it to. The people who can TRULY see the implications and power of the device. NOT the people who are going to b!tch because it scrolls a little quirky sometimes.

Look through these forums. It's loaded with very intelligent people that are doing AMAZING things with the n900, things other phones can't even hold a candle to. Now you tell me, are they crying because some of the visuals are not as lightning fast as another phones? Nope. That's because that crap comes later. It's fluff. It's stuff intended to appeal to the masses to make them happy. The same person that would be attracted to a shiny piece of gold so they can hold it in their hands and stare at it. Meanwhile those of us who truly "get it" toss the gold and grow an orchard so we can feed ourselves. Stuff that matters.

And speaking on behalf of "mainstream," I live in the United States and I have not seen ONE commercial, ad, radio sound byte, or anything advertising the N900. They are NOT trying to make it an iPhone killer. They are letting it "seep" into the Geek world and watching it bloom from an open, hacker friendly device, into what will probably be a true "killer-app phone" on Maemo 6 and devices to come.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

That is MORE than fine.. no one's complaining because people complain about the N900.. we, me, complain because people BLAME this and that because of the issue.. as if other platforms where issue-free and Nokia did a poor job... while it totally the opposite.
It's an amazing platform, amazing work done (could you believe one day you'd be running a , let's call it, Debian distro on you mobile device?).

I am just flattered by the tones... while it's so simple to simply accept issues and ask them to be fixed.

Where's the issue with that? none, as long as people are friendly.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I'll be perfectly candid: my main concern is around the usb port. Anyone who's read my blog article about it knows why.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Greaaat!!! just what we needed, another b*tching thread!

Here's the bug reporting site if something doesn't work ok for you: https://bugs.maemo.org/

Report it, it will be investigated and fixed... or maybe you think nokia is busy reading b*tching threads?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Let's fix that statement:

Maemo is a Computer Thingy (C). It's GOING to have problems.

This is not about being brand new. It is not.

Let's see it easily:

Debian + Gnome = Ubuntu (GTK)
Debian + KDE = Kubuntu (KDE)
Debian + WM = Edubuntu (GTK, GDK, whatever)
Debian + Hildon = Maemo 5 (GTK)

There's nothing really BRAND New here.
But even my Ubuntu 9.10, the latest and greates, desktop has issue.
It's a Computer Thingy. Born to be imperfect.

Everything else you said is fine I think.. just wanted to point this out.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Yeah, latest Bec post can be seen as unfriendly :)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Maybe it's just you? Mine N900 is fast as Sonic.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Better define the target of IT Professional more closely then. I suspect you really mean full-on geek. It's certainly not intended for corporate IT use. The fact that Nokia deliberately do not support device locking, remote wipe or any other MS Exchange Security Policies means that connecting with a corporate mail server to synchronise mails, calendars and task lists is out of the question, and is a major factor why the N900 won't get a look in within the Enterprise space.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I love how threads regarding "stickers for the back of your Droid's screen":

http://androidforums.com/motorola-dr...ds-screen.html

...along with threads about "animated wallpaper", get more views and responses than on topics regarding core functioniality and firmware updates.

If those are mainstream concerns, then so be it, but color me happy w/my 900 as its more "issue free" than some of its competitors. Native email client on the Droid (since Android seems to be a measuring stick when discussing Nokia's "upgrade" schedule) is still "fundamentally broken", for both their POP3 and Exchange clients, even after (2) updates. Even though there are not many 900 apps available, I also do not see "as many" apps being used to "replace native 900 apps", because they are "un-usable".

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

@Laughingstok...

14:06:59 up 2:04, load average: 3.33, 2.75, 2.19

I had to reboot to get a sim card in.

But anyway, can I keep it now?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

You just seem like an apologetic fanboy, with posts like this, and in other threads. If people want to vent their frustration with their £500 device, not working as expected, they have every right to do so in this forum, without you neglecting their points.
I do contribute to the bug system, but I don't have the time (or the will to spend it if I did), to investigate the root cause of every bug I come across.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Fixed it for ya.

;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

if you have a problem with the kinetic scrolling vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8017

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

[offtopic]
Actually that´s just awesome. It would be nice to customize N900 screen back with penguin with laser beam eyes sticker :)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Once I installed the "flashlight app", and more recently, the maemo-geolocation app/plug, those two apps alone afforded me the same functionality that "I" got from my Droid. However, with the GSM support, I have better reception over a broader area (I went as far as developing an external antenna mod for the Droid), as well as a few more features "out of the box".

Once there is either sling or HAVA support, I will be "completely" satisfied with my 900, but currently I have litterally (0) issues with the OS/hardware/software, nor with its use as a phone/browser/GPS/email/media player.

Just because some people's "d'ruthers" are not completely met, does not mean that there are things "fundamentally wrong" with the device.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

LOL...game on. Maybe somebody could "port" that to the 900.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Yes Nokia did a generally good job, I love my N900 however it needs to be said that Nokia released the OS too early - imo (and general opinion I would say) the software is in beta form. This is an issue.

Sorry but you come across as in the minority, yes the N900 is a 'tinkerers device' however it also is a relatively mainstream device compared to the other tablets. Nokia obviously want the device to sell well, the details matter (whether you like it or not). apple/iphone changed the game - its no longer really about hardware, the OS is now so important.
Just you wait for a few months for maturity (it will happen after iterative firmware updates as is the case with all Nokia releases) and for the N900 to be subsidised my a US network - see those ads then.;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I live in Germany and so far have seen one ad for the N900, ironically at one of the most inappropriate places imaginable. It was a full page ad disguised as article in Computer BILD magazine, the popular spoonfeeding magazine for people who need to be spoonfed for using their Windows PC. :)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Well it's not like there's so much to describe to report a bug, just putting it there is enough as others are sure to complete it.

As for "venting frustration", well I don't think it really helps anyone now does it? - especially when there already is a thread for such matters.
I can only hope the guy that made this thread has seen my post and now gets the purpose of bugzilla - as you can see this is precisely the opposite of me neglecting him.
So with the risk of you calling me childish terms, I care so much, I would not like his complaints to go in vain:)

If you don't see this eye to eye, consider it as me "venting frustration" ;)

Cheers

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

No one is saying the N900 is fundamentally flawed. I would say the N900's current state flawed - it mostly will be sorted out but will take prob around 6 months (As with ALL Nokia releases unfortunately). The N900 is great, I love it, I love so many functions BUT its N900 beta imo.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Fair enough, but I don't believe you would see any "less" issues by going to another "comparable" platform (i.e. Android 2.0/2.1). Like I said, less issues "out of the box" with the 900 than the Droid. And from what I've been reading, it doesn't sound like the N1 is burning up the "satisfaction" charts either.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Not necessarily. I was using it in a corporate setting and those omissions were moot.

Maybe it was being on Lotus Notes instead of Exchange that made the difference?

Anyway, one size does not fit all. ;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Actually, some here have said exactly that.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I am baffled when people say 'n900 is not for ordinary users'. I make my devices work hard (I have literally worn out the buttons on my n95, and killed another phone completely since then) but I am no code specialist.

I knew getting a device this open would mean it came with a visible terminal. I also knew that I wouldn't have to use that if I didn't want to. Every device I have can do things I don't use - I buy them because they can do what I do want them to. In practice, I have done a few things in there - and feel suitably chuffed with myself for the (albeit slow) learning.

But just using the GUI is fine for me. I knew there were odd things missing - MMS doesn't bother me and the amount of use I make of GPS meant it was low priority. The email, browser, media (once I got the hang of playlists!) and contacts interface are better than any I've used before. The customisation is excellent - I can make it look like *my* device (Teddy bears!) The availability of additions such as games, book reader, utilities etc from here (and less so from ovi) mean that the device already takes up more of my life than it should.

There are things I'd like to see - several of them are still in development and I'm not yet enough of a 'power user' to be confident in testing several apps at once.

So although I accept I'm probably not using the device to its full potential, I don't see why that means it's the wrong device for me.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Look at bug 8165 - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8165#c6
(and vote for it, for fast fix).

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Well I havent seen one!

Compared to iphone? Palm Pre? Android - at least has the basics right. Im just frustrated with typical Nokia behaviour- release, then fix later, its been like this for years. (Im a long suffering Nokia fanboy btw)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Thats slightly different! Thats the issue people get their backs up when there is criticism of Nokia, get defensive and take it as more than it is. Ill leave it at that, I dont want to go on.:) Laters:)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

So I got a perl script proxy working on the n900 to listen on whatever port I want to and forward all traffic to whatever remote machine on whatever remote port.

This essentially means the n900 can now be used as a proxy server from anywhere, to anywhere.

And it's mobile.

:D

The difference between someone who wished the n900 was more user-friendly and someone who hacks around on it, is summed up in this simple perl proxy script. The fact that I can do that on the n900.

An HTC, iPhone, Droid, etc are all probably better suited for people who want flare.

I'll take the mobile proxy server. :D

I can't sum up the "mindset" any better than this I suppose. :(

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Are you saying the Pre and Android has basics right? If so, I know some Pre and Droid owners (since Android 2.0 is the new kid on the block, as is Maemo 5) and they'd beg to differ.

Spend 2 days on this Droid forum, and tell me that their platform is without issues...after 2 updates:

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/


Again, people are still saying that email isn't working correclty (e.g.., duplicate messages, no sync, missing folders, no connection for some providers, deleted messages won't delete "from device" etc.). Verizon had a 2-page bug list after Droid's release,

http://www.electronista.com/articles...s.in.december/

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid1.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid2.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid3.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid4.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid5.jpg






and things are still broken. How is it any different or better, than what Nokia is doing? Taking in consideration that Nokia has to support not only hardware, but software as well (vs. Google/Motorola)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 487094) And the easy reply is, "what percentage?" Because small percentages indicate anomalies. Things unanticipated (right or wrong), hardware defects, software conflicts, etc. This is not to diminish the validity of the claims. Rather, it is to place them into the proper context. If 90% posters say the N900 is generally slow, they are likely onto something. A good example was the poor internet video performance of the N810/N800/770-- it was universal, and obviously slow. But many complaints here are shared by a very small number of people, NOT a majority. This is especially true since the majority tends not to say anything. This results in flawed assumptions by some that since they only see complaints then the problems must represent the norm. When the minority has an issue, then many in the majority expect complainers to participate in troubleshooting. But too many complainers refuse, and that results in aggressive "fanboy" responses from people tired of those demanding to be spoonfed by volunteers. It would be nice if everyone could digest this, and we then move on. But it keeps having to be explained over and over and over and over... and some are surprised when forum leaders get testy?

I love the power of the n900, dealing with remote server issues, good RD , excellent web browser,

however , email : the most basic thing to get right. its poor. and this is not just one person commenting on this but a number of persons, its has been on a number of threads.

you also have to accept that this is being sold in mainstream business and commercial channels as a phone and as an end user product,. not just for geeks (and yes I am a geek!)

I can understand why the email client being poor in features and functionality is acceptable. I have 4 contractors who work for me which also got this device, and no ******** they are all sending them back because of the email client.

If you work in a testing and commercial environment you will often use email to send out error reports of logs if you are out of the office to alert your to possible system problems. This is why it HAS to go for me personally.

the missing phone functionality, could not care less. email tho ! my n95 was better featured!

This forum will be a small part of the userbase for the device (at least active posting members). So if a number of persons are talking about an issue you can quite rightly assume this represents a fair number of non community interactive users. A low % of comments on this forum can still indicated a LARGE problem in the user base of a device.

One of my contractors pointed out the E= enterprise and N=novelty in the nokia range. I am starting to see his point :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 487106) And Mo is sorry to hear that the only other n900 we know of in the Duchy will be going back. :(

Yes me as well, Its affecting my work to much becuase of the terrible email client (speed and functionality ) to keep the device so im back to blackberry.

I am sure in a few months this will get resolved with a good ported email client e.t.c.

but I need a working device now , might just be a case of me expecting to much as an early adopeter. however being to "search" email and get into my inbox within 20s-1 min is not my idea of high expectations.

cheers,

MB