Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I was keeping an eye on the price on Amazon. Started out around $570 and rose to about $700 when Amazon went out of stock! When they got it back at $530 is when I ordered mine. Since then it's gone up to $542.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

The price is not "going up" on amazon. Rather, when amazon's stock is emptied, amazon posts the price of the "next cheapest" or "next available vendor", where the product can be purchased.

So when amazon runs out, the posted price may be from "6th Ave Electronics", who may be selling the product for $700, on their own website. Once amazon receives more stock, the posted price will return to amazon's price, and not the other vendors'.

That said, there have been price wars between the vendors, such that if 10 different vendors are all selling the same product via amazon, if one has a big price drop, the others follow suit. The price on my Pioneer AVIC 700 went from $799 to $350, in the span of 30 days...luckily I held out and scooped it up on the low end. After a minor bump in sales, the prices went back up to about $500 after a few weeks.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Well, still no info on N900 sales figures. Nokia did post a pretty awesome 35% to 40% increase in their smartphone global marketshare.

Also they changed the name of the group from smartphones to "converged devices" which I guess is all thanks to N900 =)

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I think I read "converged devices" in their reports before.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

sorry, that I pointed an error you made. will never do it again because I'll ignore you for now on.


e: ps. nice way to "admit"

n900: what about the sales in the world?
 

Was it a success or a failure?

Re: n900: what about the sales in the world?
 

Good question

Re: n900: what about the sales in the world?
 

well it hasnt been pushed alot by nokia and in the uk only cpw and vodafone have really sold it which would have slowed down sales in the uk i dont know what other countries are like

to be honest i still pull out my n900 and people ask what phone it is

needed more networks to get it and also nokia to promote it more

i dont think it was ever meant for mass production hence the lack of advertising and also the shortage of units

maybe they are waiting for pr1.2 bfore they advertise it properley or other netowrks take it up in the uk , i know voda then cpw have had exclusives on it so maybe that is why no others are stocking it yet

i feel that the n900 could have a second wind when others start stocking it etc

Re: n900: what about the sales in the world?
 

According to reliable sources in the beginning Nokia planned 30,000 monthly production but after big number of preorders bumped it to 100,000.

According to less reliable sources, but still with some credibility, since then they increased monthly production to 200,000 units and still have some problems with meeting demand.

So, if we believe those sources - I do BTW, N900 isn't overwhelming success in absolute numbers (projecting yearly sales about 1,5-2 mln units, topselling 5800 is at 8 mln per year) but it exceeded corporate expectations by several hundred percent.

Re: n900: what about the sales in the world?
 

Well, at the end of last year, Nokia announced that the interest for the N900 is higher than they expected, so I think it is a success.

If you take into account that it is a product which isn't designed to sell out, I think it is extremely successful.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Any news on this topic?

I see prices slowly going down now. They haven't reached the previous all-time-low from mid-November, but still.

At amazon.de, the N900 is #94 in the sales charts for mobile phones. (All mobile phones, that is, including all the cheap models.)
For comparison: The N97 is #95 and the iPhone 3GS 32GB is #98.
Interesting, but somewhat confusing for me: The N900 is #5 in the category "phones with GPS".

Flickr camera finder still lists the N900 among Nokias top 10 phones. (Activity/Rank)

My interpretation? I still can't think of how to translate all this into absolute sales figures, but at least I think the market hasn't rejected the device after an initial short period of love - which could have been the case after the holiday season.

New input appreciated. :)

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

getting one for my gf after having mine since it was released

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

For the first time, the N900 is among the top 5 (most popular) Nokia camera phones on flickr.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

how is the 5800 so high on that list? I had one before I got my n900 and the camera was crap!

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

In Nokialand

It's number 2 at the largest on-line electronics retailer (Myydyimmät = most sold)

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010...8dc1a0fd2d.jpg

In top 20 sales at largest network provider.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010...b0192f4584.jpg

In top 4 at second largest network provider's store (Suosituimmat = most popular)

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010...83ae70b4fb.jpg

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Be amazed how market really works. It´s not about who is technically best somewhere. It´s mostly about price and supply chain.

And btw.
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/5800_xpressmusic/
Looking there and landscape photos look quite good on computer screen if you do not zoom pictures. Also after reading couple of comments people seem to be really happy with quality :P

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Woah... looking at that page ( http://www.flickr.com/cameras/ ), I understand more about iPhone's impact on the (mobile) web...

No wonder there are quite a number of websites who've taken the time and effort to create iPhone-specific interface/skin.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

The 5800XM is a very good value-for-money phone. Its very cheap but still provides a very nice user experience, and above basic performance and capabilities.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Well just some information from Malaysia. When it was launched they didn't have enough stock to sell and had a problem with distribution. There are users who paid a deposit at the retail store and there are online pre-booked orders. So of-course the retail outlet put it out for the people who paid at the retail first aka me! :) So they weren't expecting a lot of people to purchase but look what a headache it caused them.. Even the parallel importers had to order them from elsewhere and said it will take a few days. (Rare in Malaysia) Usually you will get the model you want by days end at the shop if they don't have it in store. Not sure how it is selling now though.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

too many yanks on the web ?

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I was thinking about this as well...considering the number of forum posters who keep proclaiming that they are returning their '900s I am surprised at the apparent sales growth, as mentioned in this thread.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

You'll know a product like the N900 is selling well when a significant third-party accessory ecosystem builds up around it.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I know there are plenty of instances that the (usually us-based) media over-estimates the US' role in the world.

But in this case I think you're underestimating them...

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

seems to be the case. this is the first maemo-device they offer accessories for at all in "my local internet" (=popular sites/shops from central europe like amazon.de)

screen protectors, pouches, car mounts, chargers...
it'll be difficult to offer other things (like headphones/usb accessories/...) for the N900 as long as nokia keeps this annoying habit of using standard connectors ;)

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Docking stations are to me the best indicator of industry acceptance for mobile devices. They're all over for iProducts.

Of course, some car mounts for the N900 have them, so that's a good sign.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

true, so thats why now its stay at home and become battery charger for n900 :)

On the side note: 5800 is better than nuron for the camera.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

This will not be of much use in calculating the total number of N900s in the wild, but I have made the same app (orrery) available for the Openmoko and Maemo 5 platforms. Two months after the Maemo 5 version was available in Extras it had three times as many downloads as the Openmoko version had had in two years. Of course, only about 20,000 Openmoko phones were sold.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

How many times was the openmoko version downloaded, two months after you made the software available back then?

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I don't have those numbers, but I'm sure that the rate of Maemo 5 downloads just after release is more than two orders of magnitude larger than the number of Openmoko downloads just after release. At peak, I was getting about two downloads per minute from the Maemo Extras repository.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

It would be interesting to see a plot of the ratio number of n900 sold/number of iphone sold vs the month.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Two totally different phones, I-phone is for the masses, N900 definately a specialist phone.

The average Joe Bloggs will hate the N900.

I on the other hand LOVE the N900 but I work in IT and would consider myself a techie.


Joe bloggs wont use half the apps in the repos,. they are looking for fart apps and picture distorters whilst i need network sniffers, VNC, IM a command line and a whole host of other useful tools to help me not have to carry my bulky Lenovo around with me :)

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Ah man i forgot to give QTIRRECO an honorable mention! This app is a complete and utter GODSEND for me. The idiot that specced out our offices seems to have ordered a different bloody plasma for each meeting room (67 in total)

Well actually we have about 6 different makes plus BR players etc etc and my mates hate the fact that when a user reports a fault i take my phone and they have to take a bunch of remotes!!!!!!

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

would be a quite arbitrary and hardly meaningful comparison, wouldn't it? the original iphone, when it was introduced, was a very simple, low-complexity, no-frills feature phone that had the whole companies marketing machine behind it - and carrier subsidies.

the N900 is a very powerful, complex, hardly subsidised mini-computer that enjoys very little marketing only and has a company behind it which (rightfully) says: we didn't make this for the mass market, think twice before you buy it.

as i said before: the benchmark for the N900's success aren't the iPhone or the Nokia C3 or the Samsung Corby; not even so-called smartphones. the only valid banchmark is Nokia's own expectation about the commercial success.
don't forget it wasn't designed to be "as successful as possible" and to be sold to "every consumer on earth, if possible". it was designed for a certain type of consumer. and it may be a surprising finding that it either appeals to other types of consumers as well... or the target group is just larger than expected.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

qole.org, which hosts my Easy Debian image files, is showing a download usage of 67.6 GIGABYTES A DAY (69261 MB).

They're estimating TWO TERABYTES this month!

I got 52,092 requests for the Easy Debian image files last month. Some of those might be multiple requests from one user, but still...

:eek: :cool:

Thank you, Dreamhost, for your unlimited hosting plan.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Another interesting tidbit about Nokia's view of the N900:

Anurag Thakur, the Canadian technology marketing guy for Nokia, said the N900 is considered inside Nokia as a "developer phone" and it was never intended to go mass-market. :eek:

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Reminds me of Google beta services that would never seem to come out of beta. At least they eventually DID.. and are much more evolved and better supported without burning legacy users than anything Nokia's done or communicated so far. I hope they intend to change that. If they did, I'm sure many people would be pleasantly surprised given Nokia's issues with customer service and support.

Besides--aren't they basically admitting that they don't have a product, then? What the hell kind of company intends to succeed without products? Even SUPPORT and SERVICES are products--we don't even get that for the Internet Tablet series and the N900 phone.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

Surprisingly, I hear and read this only in this forum, where as in the real world nothing is mentioned ,and every launch is done with huge fanfare....... Pls refer the hong kong launch recently....the road show video and launch video are on You tube.

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

True, but i don't think it needs more proof than the Korean factory where N900 is only made. They could not even produce enough for the small demand compared to the normal high end phone factory combo(Finland + China) that has been able to make 2 million N97 in 2 months or made 17 million N95 or +10 million E71.

If they where expecting big volume from N900 why are they using only one factory that's already much smaller than the Finland, Salo one?

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

I've tried to Google for charts/graphs that show phone sales but can't see anything.

Does anyone have any links to get proper figures on this?

Re: Indications on how well the N900 is selling
 

The following link does not represent how often a device has been sold but you can compare how many internet sites write about something:
http://www.google.de/trends?q=nokia+...ate=all&sort=1
(here the comparison between Nokia N900 and N97).