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Laughing Man 2010-08-19 18:52
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 792094)
- Same goes for UX/OS vendor customizations. The advantage for end users in the MeeGo context is the choice among different vendors. If Vendor X left you unhappy for whatever reason then you can go for Vendor Y or Z and still get most of the MeeGo 3rd party apps and user experience you are familiar with. Hopefully this intra-MeeGo competition will lead to a better base platform and better end products.

It is clear that MeeGo vendors will understand that either this game works well or end user will jump to other platforms.
You may not know, or may not be allowed to comment on this. But what device-wide integration is planned in terms of application stores? I guess the closest comparison would be Android right now. If you buy an app in the Android App store on one device, and you switch to another device I think all the apps are transferred since they are tied to your Google username. Granted any company or user can start their own App store but few do since this type of functionality would be left out.

What happens in Meego? If a user buys apps, games, whatever on one device, will the user be able to transfer to another device (assuming QT compatibility)?

cfh11 2010-08-19 18:56
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Good question... we all know about Ovi. But what about the non-Nokia Meego Handsets? Will there be a consolidated store for handset Qt apps?

If not, and the vendor-bring-your-own-shop system prevails that would be a BIG mistake.

geneven 2010-08-19 18:56
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 792094)
It is clear that MeeGo vendors will understand that either this game works well or end user will jump to other platforms.
Prediction:

This game will not work well.

End users will jump to other platforms.

They already are.

digittante 2010-08-19 19:05
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 792123)
So we still don't know if we'll have access to Ovi services, which I know is what most end users will be interested in, well, that and continued flash support...
-1 for Ovi services. I don't use any of them, and my mobile device experience isn't lacking as a result:
  • Mapping? I use supl.google.com for GPS, Google Maps Mobile via Fennec, and Google Street View via eCoach (for running)
  • Push Email? I use Exchange ActiveSync & Imap directly to my numerous email servers
  • Music? I sync my iTunes library via Nokia Multi-Media Transfer
  • Sharing? I use PixelPipe to publish to various social-media platforms
  • File Sync? I use Grsync
  • App Store? I get all I need from App Manager and the repos

Unless I'm missing something else that Ovi provides, it adds no value to me.

tswindell 2010-08-19 19:14
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by digittante (Post 792178)
Unless I'm missing something else that Ovi provides, it adds no value to me.
Well, you're an edge case :P

ossipena 2010-08-19 19:19
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 792165)
Prediction:

This game will not work well.

End users will jump to other platforms.

They already are.
and things preventing end users to jump back are?

Texrat 2010-08-19 19:38
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by digittante (Post 792178)
Unless I'm missing something else that Ovi provides, it adds no value to me.
If Ovi met its potential, it would.

danramos 2010-08-19 19:40
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by digittante (Post 792178)
-1 for Ovi services. I don't use any of them, and my mobile device experience isn't lacking as a result:
  • Mapping? I use supl.google.com for GPS, Google Maps Mobile via Fennec, and Google Street View via eCoach (for running)
  • Push Email? I use Exchange ActiveSync & Imap directly to my numerous email servers
  • Music? I sync my iTunes library via Nokia Multi-Media Transfer
  • Sharing? I use PixelPipe to publish to various social-media platforms
  • File Sync? I use Grsync
  • App Store? I get all I need from App Manager and the repos

Unless I'm missing something else that Ovi provides, it adds no value to me.
I would be in the same camp. Personally, I think I am much more interested in a minimalistic "vanilla" experience where I can add on the software and services as I see fit. Particularly if I'm interested in using such a device in a business.

fnordianslip 2010-08-19 19:42
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 792208)
If Ovi met its potential, it would.
That's a big if, right there. Right now, it just spams me about 'Apps' I'm not interested in, to run on devices I don't have.

Texrat 2010-08-19 19:43
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Ok, I shouldn't have indulged the Ovi sidetrack. Let's get back to How MeeGo Will Save the World.

tswindell 2010-08-19 20:16
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 792214)
Ok, I shouldn't have indulged the Ovi sidetrack. Let's get back to How MeeGo Will Save the World.
Shameless P.R. stunt, I would have expected more from you :P

Anyhow, I actually would miss Ovi services, unlike what seems like the majority I find the N900 version of Ovi Maps quite useful. I'd miss it if it was not there.

danramos 2010-08-19 20:20
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 792250)
Shameless P.R. stunt, I would have expected more from you :P

Anyhow, I actually would miss Ovi services, unlike what seems like the majority I find the N900 version of Ovi Maps quite useful. I'd miss it if it was not there.
Yeah, I missed Wayfinder from the N800 for a moment, too. But my new phone's Google Navigation fixed that pretty quick. I'm sure MeeGo will have SOMETHING, even if it's not OviMaps. I get the feeling you won't miss OviMaps if there turns out to be something newer and better on MeeGo.

gerbick 2010-08-23 11:17
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
I don't recall ever getting an answer for my question... so the more things change, the more they stay the same?

Nokia, y'all gonna **** this up too?

GeneralAntilles 2010-08-23 18:33
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 795708)
Nokia, y'all gonna **** this up too?
Despite numerous and insistent protestations to the contrary, Nokia, as a company, seems incapable of listening to its customers, it community, and its core contributors and continues repeating the same mistakes they should've learned to avoid from past experience (how the support period keeps getting shorter is beyond my ability to comprehend).

I think it's now down to a question of severity

jjx 2010-08-23 22:25
Re: Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 791934)
The technical problem is that newer kernels remove interfaces Maemo 5 needs to run properly. And well, Maemo 5 is closed source and it's a wrong attitude to let closed source block kernel upgrades.
It's usually not too hard to forward-port things from older kernels. Even annoying closed blobs and their wrappers.
I've done it a few times.


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